The Beast and the Woman

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Who or what is this "woman" of Revelation hated by Satan's beast and his followers?

MBG is a symbolic term used by the Lord to describe all of lost humanity specifically from the flood forward .... "she" represents the unfaithful of fallen humanity that has intentionally separated itself from His providence and direction

Included in the descriptions is the concept of the "city" which is the model of organized intransigence against the Lord, both just after the flood [Genesis 10; 11] and at the time of the end of this present age where the "woman" has become a worldwide connection of the cities of the nations on the earth [Revelation 16:18-20; 17:1-7; 17:15-18; 18:1-24]

All human cities [collective human settlements] are included in the composition of the "woman" and form the center of political and religious intransigence effecting the direction of humanity including Jerusalem

At the time of the end she has a "great city" part that is the central core of world trading and commerce .... an exporter and importer of wealth and materialism larger than all of the rest .... this "great city's" destruction will be the first of a series of judgments at the beginning of the Lord's coming wrath [Revelation 8:7-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

It is this "great city" that becomes the target of hatred and eventual destruction by Satan's Middle Eastern beast and his followers because the "great city" stands in the way of satan's ambition to rule the earth through his beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7]

This destruction will cause worldwide upheaval with regard to economic collapse and the creation of a blade runner society [Revelation 6:5-6; 13:16-17; 18:9-19] in which the beast and his followers will thrive and the beast will cause great destruction across the globe against any who oppose him including the invasion and occupation of Israel and the holy land [Daniel 11:41; Revelation 11:2; 13:5].... a mortal believing remnant part of Israel will be spared and will survive this coming tribulation [Jeremiah 30; 31] in order to repopulate the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Zechariah 13:8-9; 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; 24:29-31; Romans 11:25-36; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

[james34]

Originally Posted by Truth Files

Who or what is this "woman" of Revelation hated by Satan's beast and his followers?

MBG is a symbolic term used by the Lord to describe all of lost humanity specifically from the flood forward .... "she" represents the unfaithful of fallen humanity that has intentionally separated itself from His providence and direction

Included in the descriptions is the concept of the "city" which is the model of organized intransigence against the Lord, both just after the flood [Genesis 10; 11] and at the time of the end of this present age where the "woman" has become a worldwide connection of the cities of the nations on the earth [Revelation 16:18-20; 17:1-7; 17:15-18; 18:1-24]

All human cities [collective human settlements] are included in the composition of the "woman" and form the center of political and religious intransigence effecting the direction of humanity including Jerusalem

At the time of the end she has a "great city" part that is the central core of world trading and commerce .... an exporter and importer of wealth and materialism larger than all of the rest .... this "great city's" destruction will be the first of a series of judgments at the beginning of the Lord's coming wrath [Revelation 8:7-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

It is this "great city" that becomes the target of hatred and eventual destruction by Satan's Middle Eastern beast and his followers because the "great city" stands in the way of satan's ambition to rule the earth through his beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7]

This destruction will cause worldwide upheaval with regard to economic collapse and the creation of a blade runner society [Revelation 6:5-6; 13:16-17; 18:9-19] in which the beast and his followers will thrive and the beast will cause great destruction across the globe against any who oppose him including the invasion and occupation of Israel and the holy land [Daniel 11:41; Revelation 11:2; 13:5].... a mortal believing remnant part of Israel will be spared and will survive this coming tribulation [Jeremiah 30; 31] in order to repopulate the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Zechariah 13:8-9; 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; 24:29-31; Romans 11:25-36; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

The woman was Israel and became the church,1st to the Jew , but then to the gentile.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by james34

The woman was Israel and became the church,1st to the Jew , but then to the gentile.

Amen!

[mfblume]

Jerusalem who rejected and crucified Jesus was the Great Whore.
Watch the corollary:

JERUSALEM ( Note: Jesus Christ's own words ):

Matthew 23:33-35 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

NOTE IN REVELATION ABOUT WHORE:

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Keep in mind that two different parties can never be guilty of "all" of the same thing. ..Jesus said Jerusalem was guilty of all of the blood shed on earth, and so was the whore in Revelation.

TOLD TO WOMEN OF JERUSALEM ( Note : Jesus Christ's own words ):

Luke 23:28-30 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us .

NOTE IN REVELATION:

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

JERUSALEM IS NOTED IN REVELATION AS THE GREAT CITY:

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified .

So when we read after this verse, through the rest of the book, whenever we come across a reference to "that great city", its pointing back to the Great City noted above.

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

When we let the Bible interpret itself, by noting the references to Jerusalem as being identical to the points about the Great Whore in the book of Revelation, we clearly see that JERUSALEM was that whore. However, be careful to note that this speaks of Jerusalem of Jesus' day. In THAT GENERATION, forty years later, Jerusalem was judged in 70 AD. Revelation is about that judgment.

Ask yourself what witnesses more with your spirit: ..The words of Jesus that are identical to the words found in Revelation concerning the whore and the judgments upon people being the true intepretation of these references in Revelation, or modern prophecy's interpretations not found explicitly interpreted anywhere in scripture (such as the catholic church being the whore) ?

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Israel is the subject and "woman" of chapter 12 and the great city in chapter 11 is Jerusalem [this "woman" is not a description of the church]

The woman of chapters 17 and 18 is different .... this is a description of all of lost humanity across the earth, past and future at the time of the end .... and at her core is the great city of the gentiles

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Truth Files

Israel is the subject and "woman" of chapter 12 and the great city in chapter 11 is Jerusalem [this "woman" is not a description of the church]

The woman of chapters 17 and 18 is different .... this is a description of all of lost humanity across the earth, past and future at the time of the end .... and at her core is the great city of the gentiles

The woman of Revelation 12 is Israel, and after the Lord comes into being through the birth from Israel, it becomes SPIRITUAL ISRAEL, the church. This is not the church replacing Israel because THE CHURCH Was for natural ISRAEL. The New Covenant was for Israel and Judah - Jer. 31:31. This occurred in Acts 2 when only JEWS were saved and born again. Gentiles were JOINED to the olive tree in Acts 10 when Cornelius and his household were saved and born again. So all who were saved in natural Israel became Spiritual Israel, the church as God too natural Israel to the next level of KINGDOM in the church. We Gentiles were engrafted onto their legacy and heritage.

While Israel was made NEW, so was Jerusalem. NEW JERUSALEM is the mother of us all, and Heb 12:22 says we have already come to the Heavenly Jerusalem.

Old Jerusalem is the harlot of Revelation 17-18. Jesus told old Jerusalem that the judgment for all the blood shed on earth would be meted out upon her head due to crucifying Christ and persecuting the people of God (Matt 23:35). Rev 18:24 says all the blood shed on earth was in the harlot. Jesus said it is not possible for a prophet to perish outside Jerusalem (Luke 13:33). Blood of prophets was in the harlot, having made her drunk.

Ezekiel 16 says JERUSALEM is the harlot over and over again.

It was old Jerusalem against the New! Old Covenant was removed for the NEW. Old Israel changed into the NEW with those who refused to be changed and come over being judged as the whore.

Jerusalem is said to be a widow in Lamentations 1:1. The whore responds saying she is no widow in Revelation 18:7.

The faithful city became a harlot in Isaiah 1:21.

Allowing the bible to interpret the bible shows this to be the case.

[Truth Files]

Again .... the same response to you

You always attach your body of theology to my OPs and youa re waisting your time

You should find others on this form to dialogue with .... our views will never meet the road together .... will never mix .... like oil and water

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WHO AM I?

The Apostle said I am guilty of the blood of all slain on the earth, the prophets and the saints. (Rev 18:24).

That blood made me drunk along with the kings of the earth. It must be from the golden cup in my hand! (Rev. 17:6, 2, 4)

WHO did Jesus say was guilty of all the blood of the prophets that was shed upon the earth all the way back to Abel? (Matt 23:31, 35)

Jesus also said something about filling the measure? Could this be speaking of my cup? (Matt 23:32)

After all, didn't I ask for the BLOOD to be put upon me and my children (my daughters) (Mat 27:25)?

The Apostle said that I would be given the cup of the fierceness of God's wrath (Rev 16:19).

Didn't Paul say this wrath was for those guilty of the killings of the prophets and Jesus? (1 Thess 2:15, 16)

God will avenge (Rev 18:20).

I'm also called that GREAT CITY (Rev. 16:19; 17:18)

I was once a FAITHFUL CITY (Isa. 1:21)

I'm said to sit on 7 mountains (Rev 17:9)

This could be where I became the whore (Jer 2:20).

Well, the question still remains.

WHO AM I??

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I wish to point out that this little note has attempted to show how that strict reliance on the scriptures, without going to external sources, will explain to us who the harlot of Revelation is.

There are varying opinions about her identity, but if you stick to the scriptures alone, and not resort to commentaries written by people persecuted through the centuries by the Catholic Church, for example, you will find that scripture really does speak much of a harlot entity who was at one time faithful.

This harlot refuses to accept the thought that she is a "widow" Rev 18:7, and expressed her belief that she will not see sorrow. Let us ask ourselves why this harlot would refuse to be called a widow and why she insisted she would see no sorrow. In order to refuse to be called a widow, she was obviously referred to in this manner. And to refuse that she will see sorrow is likewise an indication that she has been told she would indeed see sorrow. And it seems that her sorrow and widowhood are linked.

A widow is one whose husband has died.

Ezekiel 16 refers to a harlot who was worse than harlotry in the normal fashion. As a wife paying lovers to come to her, is this woman a harlot. And judgment was promised to her. And this woman was married to God, as attested to by God's own words in this chapter. When Christ came in the flesh, He was killed by His own. Could this be the information that explains why this harlot in Revelation claims she is no widow and refuses to believe sorrow will come her way?

How can that refer to anything other than Jerusalem?

(1) Jesus accused Jerusalem of the guilt of Rev 18:24.

(2) Ezekiel calls Jerusalem a harlot time after time in chapter 16, and that entire book parallels Revelation to a "T".

(3) Since Jerusalem was Christ's bride (Ezek 16 again), and she crucified Him while calling Caesar her king instead, we see she is a widow.

(4) Revelation 18 show her claims she is now widow and sorrow will not come to her. This perfectly fits with the picture of Israel rejecting Christ's words of doom given to her in scripture itself.

(5) Jesus said Jerusalem would "crucify" and slay God's disciples.

Stick to scripture.

Jerusalem was called his bride in the Old Testament. Jerusalem was called an unusual harlot, in the sense of being a wife who paid lovers to lay with her.
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Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

Eze 16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

Eze 16:31-33 In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire; (32) But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband! (33) They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

Eze 16:38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.

Now that is scripture.

God marries only one woman at a time. Jerusalem crucified Him, making her a widow. He came to his own, and his own received him not. Death destroys a marriage. Christ then called the church to be his bride. Not just any movement, but the one true church. This church has withstood opposition since the time of her creation from the cross/Pentecost birthing. And she has been the ONLY bride of Christ ever since.

We are not to determine the bride(s) from the claims of movements, but from the claims of God, Himself. There is only ONE BRIDE AT A TIME. And there have EVER been only TWO. Jerusalem and now the New Jerusalem.

The catholic church never was a bride of Christ in God's eyes, as Jerusalem was. How can she be a widow?

God put his name in this city in Jerusalem, which is indicated by the TEMPLE. And now the church is the temple and city.

There has never been a bride for Christ since the church was born and there never will be another one. The city IS ONE and not many.

It went from OLD CITY to NEW CITY. And notice that New Jerusalem Has His name in her as well.

The catholic church is a daughter of ROME 's adultery with Jerusalem. Jerusalem gave the Judaic element we find in the Catholic Church, while Rome gave the pagan element. The Roman Catholic church is a daughter of the whore and not the whore, with the very surname of her Father, "Roman."

Though there is one bride, the whore has many daughters.

Jerusalem was in league with the kings of the earth, scripturally speaking. The kings of the earth were ROMANS at that time. Note who the kings of the earth are called as inspired by the Holy Ghost in the disciples:

Act 4:26-27 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. (27) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

I am sticking to the book in every reference Revelation makes. And THAT fits too.

So the question is, although many pictures seem to fit, which one fits the most if you stick to scripture alone? The bible explains itself, as highlighted by His Spirit.

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[See my post "The Building Blocks of Prophecy" in the forum section "Islamic Issues and News"]