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Recovery from Harmful Religion
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
The assault on the Christian faith is unrelenting and getting stronger almost daily. Case in point: Judge in London ruled that giving a child to be raised in a Christian home is child abuse.
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
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The assault on the Christian faith is unrelenting and getting stronger almost daily. Case in point: Judge in London ruled that giving a child to be raised in a Christian home is child abuse.
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I guess that depends how you look at it. Things around here have actually improved a great deal since the days of Diocletian.
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05-24-2011, 12:01 PM
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
She brings some good points about excess indoctrination and closed cults.
But, she also attacks anyone who teaches that only Jesus is the only way to God, and anyone who believes the Bible is true - such as "evangelical and Pentecostal Christian, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Christian Science, Seventh-Day Adventist, Scientology, Eastern groups, and any organizations of a cultish nature."
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05-24-2011, 12:22 PM
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
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She brings some good points about excess indoctrination and closed cults.
But, she also attacks anyone who teaches that only Jesus is the only way to God, and anyone who believes the Bible is true - such as "evangelical and Pentecostal Christian, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Christian Science, Seventh-Day Adventist, Scientology, Eastern groups, and any organizations of a cultish nature."
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I couldn't follow the video so I can't really speak directly to what ILG offered, but there is a very common human behavioral characteristic that we can see whereby just about any group will become insular and develop a "cult-like" mentality when they feel that they are repressed...
... even "secularists" have this tendency. It's just a human social phenomena.
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05-24-2011, 12:35 PM
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
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I couldn't follow the video so I can't really speak directly to what ILG offered, but there is a very common human behavioral characteristic that we can see whereby just about any group will become insular and develop a "cult-like" mentality when they feel that they are repressed...
... even "secularists" have this tendency. It's just a human social phenomena.
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Well yes, but the video and further recommendations they make are not just warnings about being "insular" and developing "a "cult-like" mentality". It goes straight to the heart of Christianity - Jesus, who he is and what authority he has.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-25-2011, 08:40 AM
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
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I couldn't follow the video so I can't really speak directly to what ILG offered, but there is a very common human behavioral characteristic that we can see whereby just about any group will become insular and develop a "cult-like" mentality when they feel that they are repressed...
... even "secularists" have this tendency. It's just a human social phenomena.
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Yes, I agree with this. Groups that are say, raw foodists or extreme environmentalists will have the same outcomes, in my opinion. I think when any groups condemns and threatens for not living their way (the right way), it can become abusive.
Abusive is a very relative term and I think happens on a spectrum. I don't think intervention in all cases is warranted or necessary. What I would like to see is education as it is not clear to most people that religion can be abusive. The interviewer was clearly shocked.
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05-25-2011, 10:22 AM
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
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I couldn't follow the video so I can't really speak directly to what ILG offered, but there is a very common human behavioral characteristic that we can see whereby just about any group will become insular and develop a "cult-like" mentality when they feel that they are repressed...
... even "secularists" have this tendency. It's just a human social phenomena.
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I agree.
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05-26-2011, 09:29 AM
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
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She brings some good points about excess indoctrination ."
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For any belief system that is presumably correct to those who believe it,
what is excess indoctrication?
(Sorry, only listened to 5 minutes of clip, maybe answer is obvious had I gone the distance.)
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05-24-2011, 12:31 PM
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Re: Recovery from Harmful Religion
She is post-Jesus now.
The video promotes resources exchristian.net, losingmyreligion.com and Atheist Alliance International, so the ultimate agenda seems quite clear to me. As she also says in the video, "It's OK to leave your religion behind." and many have gone "on to live happy, joyful, productive lives, and they really honestly don't believe that they are going to hell..."
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Last edited by Hoovie; 05-24-2011 at 12:37 PM.
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