Do You Believe in Women Pastors?

Socialite · #1 02-17-2011, 04:56 PM

No seriously... many of you have been fine with women preachers, arguing with RDP over the 2 scriptures he cites. Curious if your viewpoint changes when it comes to women as pastoring elders. If so, what do you base that on?

Socialite · #2 02-17-2011, 04:59 PM

Come on... step right up! The "Women Preachers" thread is one of the longest going threads, with the most views and replies. Don't be shy on this one

Socialite · #3 02-17-2011, 05:05 PM

Visit my booth!

Socialite · #4 02-17-2011, 05:29 PM

Sam · #5 02-17-2011, 05:32 PM

I not only believe in women pastors,

I've actually seen some.

Socialite · #6 02-17-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I not only believe in women pastors,

I've actually seen some.

That's why I clarified in my opening post,

"Do you understand women pastoring elders" to be consistent with the biblical model and with biblical teaching?

MissBrattified · #7 02-17-2011, 05:38 PM

Not my preference, for sure. Not 100% opposed, but it would have to be special circumstances and I'd have to be personally convinced that God was in it before I would submit myself to a woman pastor. I think God has equipped men to be leaders in the church and women to be leaders in the home. Sometimes there's some crossover, but I believe that's the ideal reflected in scripture.

Pastoring is an authoritative position, and requires some stereotypical masculine traits to be successful. In addition to that, pastoring comes with requirements of your schedule and lifestyle that might detract from a woman fulfilling her obligations to her husband, children and home. Far better for a woman to use excess time for good works in the community, IMO.

Other than that, I just don't like a woman boss.

It rubs me the wrong way. I can't imagine men responding much better in most cases. To that end, it's impractical.

Socialite · #8 02-17-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Not my preference, for sure. Not 100% opposed, but it would have to be special circumstances and I'd have to be personally convinced that God was in it before I would submit myself to a woman pastor. I think God has equipped men to be leaders in the church and women to be leaders in the home. Sometimes there's some crossover, but I believe that's the ideal reflected in scripture.

Pastoring is an authoritative position, and requires some stereotypical masculine traits to be successful. In addition to that, pastoring comes with requirements of your schedule and lifestyle that might detract from a woman fulfilling her obligations to her husband, children and home. Far better for a woman to use excess time for good works in the community, IMO.

Other than that, I just don't like a woman boss.

It rubs me the wrong way. I can't imagine men responding much better in most cases. To that end, it's impractical.

Interesting.

What scriptures support this ideal?

MissBrattified · #9 02-17-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

Interesting.

What scriptures support this ideal?

Off the top of my head:

Historically, (speaking of stories recording in scripture), God has chosen more men than women to be leaders, by a landslide. There are few exceptions, which is what leads me to believe that God can and does make exceptions. In other words, He has set precedents, which I might interpret as reflective of His preferences. Secondly, Paul points out that women who are married are concerned about the "things of the world" and how they may please their husbands. He also says that they should be keepers at home and that a woman's adornment should be "good works." (becoming to a woman professing godliness)

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed

I Corinthians 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

I Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
I Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Socialite · #10 02-17-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Off the top of my head:

Historically, (speaking of stories recording in scripture), God has chosen more men than women to be leaders, by a landslide. There are few exceptions, which is what leads me to believe that God can and does make exceptions. In other words, He has set precedents, which I might interpret as reflective of His preferences. Secondly, Paul points out that women who are married are concerned about the "things of the world" and how they may please their husbands. He also says that they should be keepers at home and that a woman's adornment should be "good works." (becoming to a woman professing godliness)

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed

I Corinthians 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

I Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
I Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Within both of those letters, Paul says women should be silent and not speak. Is this a biblical mandate?

What of a single woman? They don't have a husband to care for. Can't a woman care for her husband and shepherd?