God lead me here!!!

Godsdrummer · #1 01-28-2011, 08:52 AM

I have heard the testimony of many over the years, and testimonys that have been passed down from many. And they all seem to say the same thing, God lead me to this church or God lead me to this denomination, it must be the right place God wants me to be.

I must ask you to take a hard look at this mind set. Does God lead us to one place and stop? Why do we become complacent in the place we have been lead of God to? We are instructed that we are to all continue to grow in Christ, to study to show ourselves approved, a workman that should not find himself/herself in a place that they would be ashamed because they did not continue to study and search the scripture.

I was raised in a church and denomination that preached that we had the "whole truth". Friend there is no whole truth, and those of you that use this phrase should take a long look at the destruction you are bringing on those you preach this false doctrine to.

Back to my original thought, does God lead people into a denomination or church for them to stay there the rest of thier life? I don't think so, for the simple reason stated above, there is not any time and place one comes to a place that they can say they have the "full truth" or the "whole truth".

God leads us to a place where we can grow, and then he will lead us again step by step. I am reminded of this passage in Isaiah,
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

The first thing we see hear is that God cannot teach any one doctrine until they are weaned from milk. God will lead us to the place we can recieve his spirit many times this will be in a pentecostal church. Does this mean that is where we are to stop? No!! we are just beginning a new life, not the passage in Isaiah again, precept upon precept, precept upon precept, we never stop growing. Even the Apostals turned to the word even after being with Christ 3 years.

A true child of God will never let themselves get stuck in a rut in thier theology, how do you know if you are stuck in a rut of traditionalism and single mindedness? I you start to say things like I have all the answers, you can't be taught something new because anything new must be false doctrine. Or your way is the only way.

I know many will not agree with this for the simple reasons I have stated, but lets all get back to the word of God for man cannot live by bread alone but by everyword that procedes from the mouth of God.

Cindy · #2 01-28-2011, 09:39 AM

I think you are right on several points. There are not enough of us that do evangelize. Or get out of our comfort zone. We become complacent, and forget we are suppose to be disciples of Jesus Christ.

pastor RICK · #3 01-28-2011, 11:09 AM

people are lead by god to places to allow them to advance.. how can we hear without a preacher . that place where they are should give them a support group,of love,guidance to learn through,,unfortunatly we dont have all the knowledge we need when we get into god ,so we need help.

if god thought we could do it all on our own he would have never created a church to begin with. many err as they withdraw from a body of help ,get crazy ideas in their head .. i mean with everybody sticking together and know they have people who love them around them ,many still struggle...without it they sink.

so yes i feel we can be led to places that willl further our growth,,.......

Godsdrummer · #4 01-29-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pastor RICK

people are lead by god to places to allow them to advance.. how can we hear without a preacher . that place where they are should give them a support group,of love,guidance to learn through,,unfortunatly we dont have all the knowledge we need when we get into god ,so we need help.

if god thought we could do it all on our own he would have never created a church to begin with. many err as they withdraw from a body of help ,get crazy ideas in their head .. i mean with everybody sticking together and know they have people who love them around them ,many still struggle...without it they sink.

so yes i feel we can be led to places that willl further our growth,,.......

Pastor Rick
While I agree with you God did not create the church. At least not the church by our standards. God established the kingdom of God, ie Kingdom of Heaven. As we are the body of Christ we are to assemble ourselves together, and yes we are strengthend together. The point I am making is one testifies that God led them to this one particular church by special means there fore they must have all the truth. I disagree just because God lead you to a certain group does by no means say they have all the answers.

I do agree some within certain groups will never grow beyond that group, others will need to leave as they will grow beyond what the certain group can give them. I have associated with several pastors over my life time, few are progresive as to build growth in the child of God that grows beyond said pastors leval of progresion. Most pastors keep thier people subdued below thier own leval if they can. Those that grow beyond said pastor generaly leave and are then called backsliders.

pastor RICK · #5 01-29-2011, 03:26 PM

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Pastor Rick
While I agree with you God did not create the church. At least not the church by our standards. God established the kingdom of God, ie Kingdom of Heaven. As we are the body of Christ we are to assemble ourselves together, and yes we are strengthend together. The point I am making is one testifies that God led them to this one particular church by special means there fore they must have all the truth. I disagree just because God lead you to a certain group does by no means say they have all the answers.

I do agree some within certain groups will never grow beyond that group, others will need to leave as they will grow beyond what the certain group can give them. I have associated with several pastors over my life time, few are progresive as to build growth in the child of God that grows beyond said pastors leval of progresion. Most pastors keep thier people subdued below thier own leval if they can. Those that grow beyond said pastor generaly leave and are then called backsliders.

unfortunatly i agree with with most of that ,should not be true but is ,more than i would like to admit .

however that is not true always ,there are many pastors i know of ,that are pushing themselves to continual growth in god ,and takeing their congregation with them ,as many as will go .. if people are not pushed they will stay in the same ole rut.. i push to get folks to pray ,fast ,study,, witness,to stay on their spiritual toes ,if you dont the devil will blindside you sooner or later with something.

KeptByTheWord · #6 01-29-2011, 08:59 AM

I agree with you GodsDrummer. It is so very easy to get complacent, and feel that you have it all figured out, and feel safe while being told you have the whole truth. I've experienced that. But when I really began to seek God through fasting and read his word without my "pentecostal" blinders on, is when I really began to know and understand that I really didn't know much at all. The more I study scripture, the more I hunger to study more, and the more I realize I don't know. One thing I've learned through this journey, is that God's ways are not my ways, and my faith, and relationship with Him, must be part of salvation process, not just works alone, as I was taught all my life.

Great points Gods Drummer. God help us all to realize that we haven't arrived, but we are all on a journey to a greater relationship with Him.

BroMatt · #7 01-29-2011, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree with you GodsDrummer. It is so very easy to get complacent, and feel that you have it all figured out, and feel safe while being told you have the whole truth. I've experienced that. But when I really began to seek God through fasting and read his word without my "pentecostal" blinders on, is when I really began to know and understand that I really didn't know much at all. The more I study scripture, the more I hunger to study more, and the more I realize I don't know. One thing I've learned through this journey, is that God's ways are not my ways, and my faith, and relationship with Him, must be part of salvation process, not just works alone, as I was taught all my life.

Great points Gods Drummer. God help us all to realize that we haven't arrived, but we are all on a journey to a greater relationship with Him.

Blessed56 · #8 01-29-2011, 08:44 PM

I was led out, and I kicked and screamed and cried for nearly one year.....hard to understand, but my eyes and ears have been open through studying the word, and searching the scriptures for TRUTH...the scripture teaches us to prove all things...many just listen and obey the pastor and never go any further.

pastor RICK · #9 01-29-2011, 08:55 PM

so you dont go to church blessed? if that is what you mean how do you explain hebrews 10;25? just curious.

Godsdrummer · #10 01-30-2011, 08:28 AM

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so you dont go to church blessed? if that is what you mean how do you explain hebrews 10;25? just curious.

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

We have reverted back to the mentality of the Jew who thought it was more inportant to have the symbol of thier God (ark of the covanant) rather than in thier heart. We have put more emphisis on the builing and preacher than we do relationship with God. They were more worried in what the temple looked like to others than whether God was there.