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07-03-2010, 12:47 PM
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The REAL Holy Ghost or????
I have been reading a book recently "They Speak With Other Tongues" by John Sherrill and something I read got me to thinking. I can't count how many times on the forum and others that I used to read all the time would do everything to discount other denominations receiving the HG by saying 'they didn't receive the REAL HG' or something along those lines. I am sure you have heard it too.
In the book it recounts about Parham and other stories of the 'Firsts' of americans to receive the HG. It recounted Azusa and other "outpourings". So I got to thinking how we in the UPC and other similar ORGS will claim those outpourings as valid and we hold those close to our hearts as 'our history'.
How and why is it that we claim and hold these, but now when other on TV or other denominations receive the same HG do we discount it? I think that it is because it is a defensive thing. I think that if people acknowledged that it is infact THE SAME HG, because there is only 1 HG, it might cause questions. Questions like "why is God allowing this when WE are suppose to be THE church?" I think that God is still moving in the UPC, but also moving in other Denominations as well. I would say that it is better to follow the cloud of anointing as He moves and not just be static to a movement because that is what daddy and mommy was.
What do you all think? ( sorry so lenghty )
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07-03-2010, 12:51 PM
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
Borat got the real Holy Ghost. He was at a real upci campmeeting.
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07-03-2010, 01:52 PM
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
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Borat got the real Holy Ghost. He was at a real upci campmeeting.
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Nah, now if you can get Bruno the HG I'll believe 
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-03-2010, 12:58 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
So true...how could I forget. Since it happened here (it=someone receiving the HG) it did happen! I can't wait to see Borat in heaven.
LOL
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07-03-2010, 01:51 PM
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
I have been reading a book recently "They Speak With Other Tongues" by John Sherrill and something I read got me to thinking. I can't count how many times on the forum and others that I used to read all the time would do everything to discount other denominations receiving the HG by saying 'they didn't receive the REAL HG' or something along those lines. I am sure you have heard it too.
In the book it recounts about Parham and other stories of the 'Firsts' of americans to receive the HG. It recounted Azusa and other "outpourings". So I got to thinking how we in the UPC and other similar ORGS will claim those outpourings as valid and we hold those close to our hearts as 'our history'.
How and why is it that we claim and hold these, but now when other on TV or other denominations receive the same HG do we discount it? I think that it is because it is a defensive thing. I think that if people acknowledged that it is infact THE SAME HG, because there is only 1 HG, it might cause questions. Questions like "why is God allowing this when WE are suppose to be THE church?" I think that God is still moving in the UPC, but also moving in other Denominations as well. I would say that it is better to follow the cloud of anointing as He moves and not just be static to a movement because that is what daddy and mommy was.
What do you all think? ( sorry so lenghty )
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WE don't. WE never did. I've never heard it said enough for it to matter, that they don't receive the real deal
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-03-2010, 02:15 PM
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
WE don't. WE never did. I've never heard it said enough for it to matter, that they don't receive the real deal
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I can't say I've never heard it, but it's been a while. I think it's more common in small minded churches who seem to micro-manage EVERYTHING including who is "right with God" or not.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-03-2010, 02:16 PM
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I can't say I've never heard it, but it's been a while. I think it's more common in small minded churches who seem to micro-manage EVERYTHING including who is "right with God" or not.
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Right...in fact I read "Winds of God" and "United We Stand" almost as soon as I received my experience. Neither of those books say the AOGers did not receive the real Holy Ghost. In fact some of them...our "forefathers" received the Holy Ghost before they became Oneness
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-04-2010, 06:14 PM
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
WE don't. WE never did. I've never heard it said enough for it to matter, that they don't receive the real deal
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I have.
In fact, even today, it echoes-- if you're not Apostolic you're not saved.
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07-07-2010, 09:54 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
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I have.
In fact, even today, it echoes-- if you're not Apostolic you're not saved.
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This is what I was talking about. Perhaps some are too close to see the forest for the trees.
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07-03-2010, 02:12 PM
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Re: The REAL Holy Ghost or????
I am not much into deciding who has the REAL Holy Spirit whether they are Pentecostal/Charismatic or not.
By the same token if I see radical nonsense in any segment of Christianity I see no reason to soft pedal my criticism because they attribute it to the Holy Spirit.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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