SKorean Navy Ship Sunk by N. Koreans?

[DAII]

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - Military officials say a South Korean navy ship has sunk off an island not far from North Korea.
An official with the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Seoul said early Saturday that the ship sank some four hours after it began taking on water. The official spoke on condition of anonymity, in line with department policy.

The official said at least 58 of the 104 crew members have been rescued. There was no immediate confirmation of casualties. A rescue operation was still under way.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by DAII

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - Military officials say a South Korean navy ship has sunk off an island not far from North Korea.
An official with the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Seoul said early Saturday that the ship sank some four hours after it began taking on water. The official spoke on condition of anonymity, in line with department policy.

The official said at least 58 of the 104 crew members have been rescued. There was no immediate confirmation of casualties. A rescue operation was still under way.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

This doesn't surprise, North Korea scares me to death. I read this story yesterday, horrifying that this type of government is operating with ready access to nuclear and chemical weapons.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-s...Lq1LFB8GnQH8n&

[Michael The Disciple]

Perhaps the times are a changin?

[Michael The Disciple]

The USA fought a war against N. Korea and China 1950-1953. It ended in a draw. My thinking is we are less prepared than we were then and they are more prepared.

[Praxeas]

I don't think China would support North Korea this time

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't think China would support North Korea this time

I believe two hard line Communist nations would unite quickly. China declared war on us in 1950 because we got to close to their territory in combat operations. At least thats what they said then.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I believe two hard line Communist nations would unite quickly. China declared war on us in 1950 because we got to close to their territory in combat operations. At least thats what they said then.

North Korea is more of a dictatoryship/theocracy. Their glorious leader is considered "god" to many

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Perhaps the times are a changin?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The USA fought a war against N. Korea and China 1950-1953. It ended in a draw. My thinking is we are less prepared than we were then and they are more prepared.

We weren't prepared at all back then. Entire rifle companies were sent to confront the N. Korean invasion and were lost - mowed down due to the fact that they were facing off with Communist tanks and artillery with just their M1 carbines.

When the territory was retaken later, the roads were found lined in places with the bodies of American soldiers who had obviously been taken prisoner. Their arms were tied behind their backs with barbed wire and they were all either shot in the head or bludgeoned to death to save the bullet.

When MacArthur executed the Inchon landing and took Seoul he outflanked the entire N. Korean army and sent them running back to the north. American forces drove them all the way across the Yalu River and into China and were ready to start mopping up. Then, one million Chinese "volunteers" crossed the border and drove the beleaguered Americans back to appropriately the exact line that exists today.

We weren't ready then. Not even close. We were lucky to have MacArthur and his amphibious skill to turn the tide. Then we had to fire him of course because he wanted to nuke the Chinese "volunteers" in order to save American lives.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

We weren't prepared at all back then. Entire rifle companies were sent to confront the N. Korean invasion and were lost - mowed down due to the fact that they were facing off with Communist tanks and artillery with just their M1 carbines.

When the territory was retaken later, the roads were found lined in places with the bodies of American soldiers who had obviously been taken prisoner. Their arms were tied behind their backs with barbed wire and they were all either shot in the head or bludgeoned to death to save the bullet.

When MacArthur executed the Inchon landing and took Seoul he outflanked the entire N. Korean army and sent them running back to the north. American forces drove them all the way across the Yalu River and into China and were ready to start mopping up. Then, one million Chinese "volunteers" crossed the border and drove the beleaguered Americans back to appropriately the exact line that exists today.

We weren't ready then. Not even close. We were lucky to have MacArthur and his amphibious skill to turn the tide. Then we had to fire him of course because he wanted to nuke the Chinese "volunteers" in order to save American lives.

We had nuclear weapons then. The Chinese and N Koreans had none. Now the Chinese have hundreds of them and the Koreans are beginning to stockpile.

The mindset is also very different. Then many Americans loved their country and were ready and willing to die for it. A lot has changed since then. Yes we are fighting two wars right now but neither of them together are causing near as many casualties as Korea.

Our wars now will look small compared to a war like we are discussing here. I say leave Iraq and Afghanistan. All we are doing there is propping up Islamic antichrist governments. Not one more American should die for them.

Strategically speaking these wars will have given us training and insight for bigger wars but we need as a nation to regroup and begin to rethink our future with N.Korea, China, and Russia.

However spiritually my thinking is that YHWH may well use them as his battle axe in judgment against America. We shall see.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

We had nuclear weapons then. The Chinese and N Koreans had none. Now the Chinese have hundreds of them and the Koreans are beginning to stockpile.

The mindset is also very different. Then many Americans loved their country and were ready and willing to die for it. A lot has changed since then. Yes we are fighting two wars right now but neither of them together are causing near as many casualties as Korea.

Our wars now will look small compared to a war like we are discussing here. I say leave Iraq and Afghanistan. All we are doing there is propping up Islamic antichrist governments. Not one more American should die for them.

Before we got to Afghanistan there were dozens of bases used for the arming and training of Muslim terrorists to attack America. The attacks on 9/11/2001 were launched from those bases. We had to take that safe haven away from the terrorists.

The fact that safe havens remain in the adjacent "Tribal Territories" of Pakistan represents a further problem.

Iraq is a slightly different matter. Iran is the real problem. They have funded and have built up three proxy armies in the region that are actively fighting against Western targets while also brow beating the local populations into accepting militant fundamentalism that will only breed more jihadis.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Strategically speaking these wars will have given us training and insight for bigger wars but we need as a nation to regroup and begin to rethink our future with N.Korea, China, and Russia.

However spiritually my thinking is that YHWH may well use them as his battle axe in judgment against America. We shall see.

Strategically, we had nukes in 1950. Tactically however, we didn't have any as evidenced by MacArthur's failed attempt to deploy and use them. Ticky-tack point perhaps... but if you aren't really going to use them what's the point in saying you've got them? When the other guy calls your bluff - your boys are left standing out in the field without their most powerful weapons available.

(I'm not advocating nuclear war here. I'm just questioning the lines of reasoning behind saying America even has any tactical nuclear deterrent).

Also, on the battlefield we were grossly unprepared in 1950. We'd just spent the previous 5 years working very hard to disarm and get back to a "peace time" economy. American forces were cut to ribbons as they fell back on Pusan.