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Old 08-26-2009, 03:10 PM
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Help me with some spiritual thoughts

I once preached a message about Elisha and the axe head that fell into Jordan and was retrieved by throwing a "stick" in the river causing the axe head to rise and return. I see this as a type of resurrection by the cross. STICK in Hebrew is the same word translated as TREE or GALLOWS. And they way they hanged people in those days was not by rope or noose, but gibbeting, or hanging by the hands, like the crucifixion.

I firmly believe all Old Testament stories point to New Testament experiencing shadow, such as, primarily of course, the salvation by the cross.

WHat migh the AXE HEAD stand for? I considered it stood for Christ, our HEAD. He was kinda "lost" from the disciples when He went away in death. The two on the road to Emaus even related their fears after His death in wondering what they could do. But we know he had to GO in death. But He resurrected.

All of the work done with Elisha and the sons of the prophets at Jordan was to cut wood to prepare PLACE for the students to dwell with Elisha and continue to learn of Him. I cannot help but be reminded of Jesus dying to prepare a PLACE for us in the kingdom. I see the kingdom now in the Spirit. But that is not my point. The "work" at Jordan by John the baptist involved him speaking of us as trees who needed to be cut down in repentance -- and he baptized people in his ministry of repentance.

Or could the AXE HEAD indicate our MINDS that must be renewed in order to die with Christ, and learn how the "TREE" of the cross and its message must be applied to our HEAD in order to see us resurrect with Him in newness of life?

Anyway, any thoughts on the typology of this axe head that did swim?
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Old 08-26-2009, 03:20 PM
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Re: Help me with some spiritual thoughts

I have nothing constructive to add at this point other than this.

This is the word that was translated axe head.

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Strong's H1270 - barzel
ברזל

Transliteration
barzel

Pronunciation
bar·zel' (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
perhaps from the root of H1269
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) iron
a) iron
1) iron ore
2) as material of furniture, utensils, implements

2) tool of iron
3) harshness, strength, oppression (fig.)


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 76
AV — iron 73, (axe) head 2, smith + 02796 1
This states that the root of this word was possibly...

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Strong's H1269 - Birzowth
ברזות

Transliteration
Birzowth

Pronunciation
bēr·zoth' (Key)

Part of Speech
proper feminine noun

Root Word (Etymology)
probably fem. pl. from an unused root

Outline of Biblical Usage
Birzavith or Birzath = "in leanness: choice olive"
1) a descendant of Asher

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 1
AV — Birzavith 1
I have nothing to add beyond that. But I thought I would post it here.

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Old 08-26-2009, 03:35 PM
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Thanks, bro. I thought of how IRON sharpens IRON, referring to each of us useful in honing the other through our fellowship.

The english rendered it axe head, since the IRON obviously is placed as a "head" on the axe in visual imagery, though HEAD is not the literal meaning.
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When I saw 'iron,' I thought about the nine inch pieces of iron that went into The Master's hands and feet.
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When I saw 'iron,' I thought about the nine inch pieces of iron that went into The Master's hands and feet.
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I once preached a message about Elisha and the axe head that fell into Jordan and was retrieved by throwing a "stick" in the river causing the axe head to rise and return. I see this as a type of resurrection by the cross. STICK in Hebrew is the same word translated as TREE or GALLOWS. And they way they hanged people in those days was not by rope or noose, but gibbeting, or hanging by the hands, like the crucifixion.

I firmly believe all Old Testament stories point to New Testament experiencing shadow, such as, primarily of course, the salvation by the cross.

WHat migh the AXE HEAD stand for? I considered it stood for Christ, our HEAD. He was kinda "lost" from the disciples when He went away in death. The two on the road to Emaus even related their fears after His death in wondering what they could do. But we know he had to GO in death. But He resurrected.

All of the work done with Elisha and the sons of the prophets at Jordan was to cut wood to prepare PLACE for the students to dwell with Elisha and continue to learn of Him. I cannot help but be reminded of Jesus dying to prepare a PLACE for us in the kingdom. I see the kingdom now in the Spirit. But that is not my point. The "work" at Jordan by John the baptist involved him speaking of us as trees who needed to be cut down in repentance -- and he baptized people in his ministry of repentance.

Or could the AXE HEAD indicate our MINDS that must be renewed in order to die with Christ, and learn how the "TREE" of the cross and its message must be applied to our HEAD in order to see us resurrect with Him in newness of life?

Anyway, any thoughts on the typology of this axe head that did swim?
It's an exchange of proeprties.... That which sank under the weight of it's own being was exchagned with the properties of the stick which could float. He was the exchange of our weight/guilt/penalty/iron. Thus again it point to rising out of water/life/baptism.
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It's an exchange of proeprties.... That which sank under the weight of it's own being was exchagned with the properties of the stick which could float. He was the exchange of our weight/guilt/penalty/iron. Thus again it point to rising out of water/life/baptism.
Amen. More great thoughts!

There is definitely a resurrection involved here, since the iron sank and returned. And when the tree went into the water, the ide ao fthe cross applied is certainly involved.

Here are some more thoughts.

Jordan was always a demarcation point of crossing over into ministry. Elijah, Elisha, Joshua and even Jesus began their ministries at Jordan. We can apply this to Christians needing to enter ministry or to general salvation of a sinner. I see the Red Sea dividing in the Exodus as separation from sin and the Jordan dividing as separation from carnality. In both cases, the cross is applied.

Gal 5 mentions that Christ's followers have crucified the flesh with its affections, even though we know the Galatians and many others manifest works of the flesh. So the cross needs to be applied to more than just sin. And this occurs long after we are saved. We apply the cross to healing when we need it, and there is this need to apply it to the issue of carnality. Just as the doubting elders in the Exodus had to die before the younger could enter in, this old way of "Egyptian" (Egypt representing the world out of which we were saved) carnal thinking must go before we enter the true Kingdom life represented by Canaan.

Jordan is like a flesh barrier that must be breached.

John the Baptist spoke of cutting trees that bear bad fruit with axes, and carnality and works of the flesh are bad fruit from a bad tree!
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Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Here you go Brother Blume.
Think of the AXE and the root of the trees, Calvary and the finished work.Then
think of what will be done in the last judgement.
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Re: Help me with some spiritual thoughts

Similar thoughts with slightly different spin,

Iron
  • Iron is of the earth, a "base" metal.
  • Iron is corruptible in that it decays (rusts especially in water)
  • In Deut 27 the children were instructed to build an altar at the crossing of Jordan, and forbidden to use iron tools on it (the base touching the holy)
  • The Lord used "yoke of iron" to illustrate the bondage of the people if they chose not to obey God (things intended for service in bondage to base things.
The Jordan
  • Waters represent a barrier, in this case a barrier between the iron axe head and the light of day, the axe was lost, hidden from sight. Also water will corrupt and destroy iron.
The head of the Axe
  • A tool fashioned by man from a base metal of the earth
  • Lost in the darkness of the deep. decaying and dying.
  • Note that the axe head was "borrowed" (for ye are not your own--- bought with a price)
Bottom Line!
  • The stick (cross) by the power of God (Elisha -- type of Christ) lifted the base creation from the miry depths (into the light) and returned it to it's rightful owner (In our case JESUS!) where properly cared for it will last forever!
Ephesians 2:6 KJVR
(6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

May not mean all that but it is a good illustration anyway!
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Bottom Line!
  • The stick (cross) by the power of God (Elisha -- type of Christ) lifted the base creation from the miry depths (into the light) and returned it to it's rightful owner (In our case JESUS!) where properly cared for it will last forever!
Ephesians 2:6 KJVR
(6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
I like that!
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