Bro. Wayne Huntley (Info Needed)

[PraiseHymn]

Got a friend that I'd like to send over to Bro. Huntley's church in Raleigh, NC (The Temple Of Pentecost) and just want some general information on him, his church, preaching style, choir etc etc if anyone out there has it. Is this a conservative congregation etc. Let me know what you know.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Hey PraiseHymn, Brother Huntley's church would be very close in everything (doctrine, preaching but just a tad more aggressive than Brother Johns, worship/praise, choir) to AWPC. If you want this friend to go to a church like yours - this would be the one. I preached there years ago. He is a great expository preacher and has a conservative congregation. They are good people - just like the Johns. You will not go wrong with sending them there if you want something like AWPC. I don't really know the black/white ratio there - but I would think all people would be welcome.

[PraiseHymn]

Thanks thats what I needed to know.

[deltaguitar]

I think it was Wayne Huntley that I heard say that he didn't try to convert people all at once to the UPC doctrine. He said that sometimes they aren't truly converted for 10 or 15 years and that they aren't really converts until they believe WE (the UPC) are right and everybody else is wrong.

In the same message he also said that he doesn't want his whole church to follow standards either because he needs some decoys so that those they are trying to convert don't feel out of place.

It was the first time I ever heard someone admit what I had seen for a long time in the UPC and that is that the true beliefs are hidden until they feel like they can ease them in and convert after the person has made friends and feels more pressure from the group to conform.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think it was Wayne Huntley that I heard say that he didn't try to convert people all at once to the UPC doctrine. He said that sometimes they aren't truly converted for 10 or 15 years and that they aren't really converts until they believe WE (the UPC) are right and everybody else is wrong.

In the same message he also said that he doesn't want his whole church to follow standards either because he needs some decoys so that those they are trying to convert don't feel out of place.

It was the first time I ever heard someone admit what I had seen for a long time in the UPC and that is that the true beliefs are hidden until they feel like they can ease them in and convert after the person has made friends and feels more pressure from the group to conform.

Greek word for this paraphrase, my friend Delta, "bologna."

"decoys?" "We (meaning UPC)?" Sounds more like Delta than WH

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Greek word for this paraphrase, my friend Delta, "bologna."

"decoys?" "We (meaning UPC)?" Sounds more like Delta than WH

You can purchase the DVD or CD from the Pentecostals of West Monroe's week of Anointing. I think it was 2007 but possibly 2008.

He was basically trying to teach that it is ok for the UPC to appear moderate but that over the long haul we would get people to believe like us. He was trying to show that the more conservative brothers should not criticize the brothers who used more wisdom in the conversion process.

This is what the man said. I will try to find the cd tonight and post it on here.

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think it was Wayne Huntley that I heard say that he didn't try to convert people all at once to the UPC doctrine. He said that sometimes they aren't truly converted for 10 or 15 years and that they aren't really converts until they believe WE (the UPC) are right and everybody else is wrong.

In the same message he also said that he doesn't want his whole church to follow standards either because he needs some decoys so that those they are trying to convert don't feel out of place.

It was the first time I ever heard someone admit what I had seen for a long time in the UPC and that is that the true beliefs are hidden until they feel like they can ease them in and convert after the person has made friends and feels more pressure from the group to conform.

You think huh? Interesting. You don't know for sure? But are willing to portray it as if he really did say it? Let me tell you what I DO know, for a fact.

Wayne Huntley was asked the question, "So do you think only your UPC people are going to heaven?"
He replied "No, in fact I'm not so sure all of us are going."

Where'd I hear this from? Right from his own lips.

I do know he has stood behind a pastor from one of the other "big three" apostolic orgs who has started a church in Raleigh.
He had him in our church, he specifically said "I believe God wants to give Raleigh a revival so big that one church cannot contain it, we are all Gods people and there is no competition for the souls in Raleigh."

I sat right there and heard it, I met the new pastor. The youth and some of the families are quite close to some of ours, and attend events together.


Decoys?
Is that why he preaches that we won't win our city by looking acting and talking just like our city? That as Christians we SHOULD be set apart, we should LOOK,act, and talk different. Or that Raleigh is used to going to churches where they cant tell the regulars from the visitors. When they come here they need to see we ARE different. Is that why we have an annual Holiness seminar to examine and study WHY we do what we do, WHY we have the standards we do? Is that why there is such a focus on LOVE instead of LAW and understanding that if one Loves Gods Holiness, there is no issue of "law" because it becomes an honor?

Yes, he has said that we will not convert folks by preaching down their thoughts about getting rid of their TVs, and make up, and all the "standards," We convert them by preaching Jesus. Yes, he says that we should live Holy out of love, not law. Yes, he preaches that there is a greater anointing on those who separate themselves from the world and seek to be Holy.

Standards are not for sinners. Standards are for people who are already born again, and want to be more like, and closer to Jesus. Will he make folks who don't like the "standards" feel unwelcome? Absolutely not, in fact, he'll flat out put a stop to anyone that does in our church.
Does he preach what the Bible says? Yep.
Does he inform what is Bible and what is personal conviction? yep.
Does he differentiate what is a heaven or hell issue and what is simply a church standard expected by those who hold positions of leadership? yep.

Why is it accepted that Wall-mart can have a dress code, but somehow the church should not for its leadership?
Guests, regulars? They will be welcomed if they come in shorts with spiked purple hair and look like they fell into a tackle box. Even if they come like that for 10 years.
They WILL HEAR the truth, and yes, our "standards" but we sure won't make them feel unwelcome just because they don't do the Hallelujah hop just like the song leader does it, or wear their hair like the pastors wife.

Is it tighter than many UPC churches? yep
Are there some that are tighter? sure

do we care? not really

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

Got a friend that I'd like to send over to Bro. Huntley's church in Raleigh, NC (The Temple Of Pentecost) and just want some general information on him, his church, preaching style, choir etc etc if anyone out there has it. Is this a conservative congregation etc. Let me know what you know.

Brother Huntley goes to lengths when he preaches on the road to describe himself as a "Progressive" Pentecostal/Apostolic. What he means by "Progressive" however, isn't the same as the way the term is used in US political discourse.

His idea is that we all "progress" and grow in the Lord and thus we should be willing to give others a bit of a break whenever their "standards" or "experience" doesn't quite measure up to ours. That's my summation of one of his many explanations that I've heard over the years and not his own words exactly.

I was in a meeting a few years ago when he used the phrase "long nosed Jews..." and emphasized the point by running his own finger down the length of his nose. There were at least two Jewish converts to OP in the audience that day. The context for Huntley remarks were the words of another preacher in the audience. Huntley tried to show his support for this man who had made some public anti-Semitic remarks earlier.

Basically, it was: "Look out for those long nosed Jews who will criticize you..." Words to that effect. I was very disappoint with Bother Huntley that day.

On the so-called "con vs. lib" divide as it exists within the UPC, Huntley has positioned himself to be a bit more "moderate" than his neighbor Johnny Godair. The two were seen as close rivals for the NC district crown. When Huntley won out, Godair left the org. Though, we are assured, those two events had nothing to do with one another.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Brother Huntley goes to lengths when he preaches on the road to describe himself as a "Progressive" Pentecostal/Apostolic. What he means by "Progressive" however, isn't the same as the way the term is used in US political discourse.

His idea is that we all "progress" and grow in the Lord and thus we should be willing to give others a bit of a break whenever their "standards" or "experience" doesn't quite measure up to ours. That's my summation of one of his many explanations that I've heard over the years and not his own words exactly.

I was in a meeting a few years ago when he used the phrase "long nosed Jews..." and emphasized the point by running his own finger down the length of his nose. There were at least two Jewish converts to OP in the audience that day. The context for Huntley remarks were the words of another preacher in the audience. Huntley tried to show his support for this man who had made some public anti-Semitic remarks earlier.

Basically, it was: "Look out for those long nosed Jews who will criticize you..." Words to that effect. I was very disappoint with Bother Huntley that day.

On the so-called "con vs. lib" divide as it exists within the UPC, Huntley has positioned himself to be a bit more "moderate" than his neighbor Johnny Godair. The two were seen as close rivals for the NC district crown. When Huntley won out, Godair left the org. Though, we are assured, those two events had nothing to do with one another.

I can't stand when we go to these depths, and find remarks from our memory on forums like this to denigrate a man, basically implying that he is a racist. Does Phil 4:8 mean anything??

Just recommend him or don't recommend to the original poster. But to take your liberties, like many did with Tim McCary, and pummel him with accusations doesn't seem right.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I can't stand when we go to these depths, and find remarks from our memory on forums like this to denigrate a man, basically implying that he is a racist. Does Phil 4:8 mean anything??

Just recommend him or don't recommend to the original poster. But to take your liberties, like many did with Tim McCary, and pummel him with accusations doesn't seem right.

You want the tape? Or better yet, just ask him yourself.