Words do mean something, What does Apostolic mean?

[Pastor Keith]

At the risk of being some what Daniel A. like, I think we have missed it when we define ourselves as Apostolic and yet we don't act Apostolic.

Let's get beyond simple the Apostles doctrine, we all agree (I hope we do anyway) that is essential.

But the word Apostolic/Apostle means one that is sent, so to be apostolic is to be one that is sent. If we are to change the US or wherever sphere of influence God has planted, you live you need to start by sitting in the smoking session and go where people are. This is called incarnational, it is foundational to NT evangelism, God came to us, therefore we must go to people.

The current church planting model needs serious revision, as one who has both started 2 churches and help UPCI Home Missions plant 2 congregations I do have some credibility in this area.

The first model is to invest thousands of Dollars in a couple, get a building then try to attract people through whatever means possible. Yes there are success using this model, but more failures than anyone will care to admit.
Then the measuring stick of success then becomes the ABC's.
Attendance,
Buildings,
Checkbook

We then produce consumers and good church members and not the NT level of disciples.

Surely we can do better, with more success and a whole lot cheaper.

Lets start be setting up shop with a team of couples, who work in their community and develop relationships, go to where these folks are and start churches where people naturally live and exist.

After all to be Apostolic does not mean people come to us, we go to them, which is truly the ministry of Jesus.

Wherever we go Jesus the King goes, wherever the King is, people will bow.

What say ye!

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

At the risk of being some what Daniel A. like, I think we have missed it when we define ourselves as Apostolic and yet we don't act Apostolic.

Let's get beyond simple the Apostles doctrine, we all agree (I hope we do anyway) that is essential.

But the word Apostolic/Apostle means one that is sent, so to be apostolic is to be one that is sent. If we are to change the US or wherever sphere of influence God has planted, you live you need to start by sitting in the smoking session and go where people are. This is called incarnational, it is foundational to NT evangelism, God came to us, therefore we must go to people.

The current church planting model needs serious revision, as one who has both started 2 churches and help UPCI Home Missions plant 2 congregations I do have some credibility in this area.

The first model is to invest thousands of Dollars in a couple, get a building then try to attract people through whatever means possible. Yes there are success using this model, but more failures than anyone will care to admit.
Then the measuring stick of success then becomes the ABC's.
Attendance,
Buildings,
Checkbook

We then produce consumers and good church members and not the NT level of disciples.

Surely we can do better, with more success and a whole lot cheaper.

Lets start be setting up shop with a team of couples, who work in their community and develop relationships, go to where these folks are and start churches where people naturally live and exist.

After all to be Apostolic does not mean people come to us, we go to them, which is truly the ministry of Jesus.

Wherever we go Jesus the King goes, wherever the King is, people will bow.

What say ye!

Bump!

[tv1a]

I choose not to be so weak in my relationship with Jesus I need a subjective label.

Why not settle for a disciple of Christ? That is a scriptural based label.

[RandyWayne]

At the risk of being some what Daniel A. like, I think we have missed it when we define ourselves as Apostolic and yet we don't act Apostolic.

Haven't you realized that looking apostolic is the most important thing here and the number one way "we" define ourselves as apostolic?

I joke (only a little) but this is true for far FAR too many people.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Haven't you realized that looking apostolic is the most important thing here and the number one way "we" define ourselves as apostolic?

I joke (only a little) but this is true for far FAR too many people.

I'm not sure what the Apostles actually looked like so it seems like it might be difficult to dress like them. Maybe we should all start wearing robes and sandals?


Ok, seriously I've always wondered why the prevalent 'Pentecostal' church model is to have the lost come to us instead of the Church going to them. Must be like the Doctor making the patiences come to his office instead of the Doctor going to the sick persons house. Seems Jesus showed up where the folks were at most of the time...........Why don't we send messengers to non Pentecostal churches?

[RevDWW]

How about us being Pentecostal in experience and Apostolic in action? Pentestolic.......Apocostal........

[freeatlast]

The thougt that we are and have been doing it wrong for so long is a little to skeery for most of us to consider.

[Sherri]

When we use the term "apostolic" to describe our churches, it has nothing to do with the core belief system of salvation. We are apostolic in the way we do church. We believe in going out and planting churches and equipping them. That's what I believe being apostolic is - being "sent" to do God's work. It has nothing to do with Acts 2:38, although we do believe that.

[scotty]

Whoa !!!!!


I almost fell out of my chair !!

At first glance my minds eye saw this:

"Works do mean something, ...

[EA]

I am Pentecostal.

I am not now, nor have I EVER been, Apostolic.

I refuse to pick up a new label.