Could someone explain these verses in the OT? Was there an infilling of the Holy Spirit before Pentecost?
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, [and] his people, [saying], Where [is] he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where [is] he that put his holy Spirit within him?
Isa 63:12 That led [them] by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?
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Could someone explain these verses in the OT? Was there an infilling of the Holy Spirit before Pentecost?
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, [and] his people, [saying], Where [is] he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where [is] he that put his holy Spirit within him?
Isa 63:12 That led [them] by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?
It was a prophetic anointing prophets, priests and kings had
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I'm interested in knowing how you came to that conclusion.
Very easy...read the OT and look at the times it is mentioned someone is or has the Spirit of God....it was always prophets, priests and kings and Kings like King David prophesied
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Very easy...read the OT and look at the times it is mentioned someone is or has the Spirit of God....it was always prophets, priests and kings and Kings like King David prophesied
But how do you know it was a prophetic anointing they had? And were women excluded from having the spirit also, just because we don't see them mentioned?
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But how do you know it was a prophetic anointing they had? And were women excluded from having the spirit also, just because we don't see them mentioned?
Women were not excluded in the OT but they were not as numerous as the men.
Miariam ministered under an anointing as a leader. In Exodus 15:20 she is called a prophetess and in Micah 6:4 she is listed as a leader along with Moses and Aaron
Deborah was a prophetess and judge (like a spiritual leader or shepherd/pastor) Judges 4:4
When the Book of the Law was found in the Temple and King Josiah wanted to inquire of the Lord they went to Huldah the prophetess in 2 Kings 2:14
Noadiah is spoken of as a prophetess in Nehemiah 6:14 and as part of a group of leaders and prophets who were against Nehemiah.
The wife of the prophet Isaiah is called a prophetess in Isaiah 8:3
Anna was a prophetess dwelling in the Temple and she prophesied over the baby Jesus, Luke 2:36-38
All through Israel's history there have been women in ministry like that but there have been no prophetic books written about their prophecies like the ones we call the major or minor prophets. A couple of books have been written about women like Ruth and Esther (and Judith) but they have not been as prominent as men in the annals of Israel's history.
What Joel prophesied was a time when a prophetic/charismatic anointing would come upon "all" (I take this to mean male and female and Jew and Gentile) flesh. The prophetic anointing would not just be a relative few here and there but this anointing (or promise as spoken of in Acts 2:16-21, 32-33, 38-39) would be for whomever the Lord would call unto Himself.
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But how do you know it was a prophetic anointing they had? And were women excluded from having the spirit also, just because we don't see them mentioned?
Because the bible says they have the Spirit and they spoke in a certain way. I a woman is a prophetess she would have the Spirit
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Very easy...read the OT and look at the times it is mentioned someone is or has the Spirit of God....it was always prophets, priests and kings and Kings like King David prophesied
Numbers 11: And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.
John the Baptist and his mother.
Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. 14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. 15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Nehemiah 9:30Yet many years didst thou forbear them, and testifiedst against them by thy spirit in thy prophets: yet would they not give ear: therefore gavest thou them into the hand of the people of the lands.
1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
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In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit was active in and upon people but most folks did not have a personal experience and personal realization of God being with/in them. There was a "special" class of people upon whom the Spirit came and released His gifts and anointing. Often the gift was prophecy as in the case of Saul (1 Samuel 10:6-10) or the elders in Exodus 11:16-30) but some times it was wisdom or miracles or special gifting as with Bezaleel in Exodus 35:30-35. The prophet Joel foretold a time when God would pour out His Spirit on "all" flesh and men, women, servants, and handmaidens would all prophesy (Joel 2:23-32). Not just a few people with special offices but the outpouring would be available universally. This began to be fulfilled in Jerusalem in AD 30 on the Day of Pentecost as described in Acts chapter 2. Peter quoted from Joel's prophecy to explain what was going on. What's neat about the New Testament is that the Holy Spirit's baptism, empowering, and releasing of gifts is available for ALL. And just as those who were filled with the Spirit in the Old Testament were used by God in signs, miracles, gifts, etc, now in the New Testament we can all be used that way through the Holy Ghost Baptism.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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