Ok, from day ONE I have said that Barak Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA. I still believe that this "noise" out there that he is not, and therefore not qualified to be President, is just "noise". I still say that this is no reason to not vote for Barak Obama.
Having said that, it sure seems that the case itself is working its way thru the court system and has not been rejected out of hand. So doing the mental exercise and the "what if"...What IF Obama isn't eligible to be president? What happens next?
Well what if this comes out before the election? What do democrat voters do? They will have been robbed of their right to a candidate they can vote for. Constitutionally we have never been here before and it is a scary fact. Do they vote for that ticket with the intent of making Joe Biden President? virtually no democrats wanted Joe.
The Electors that we elect, can actually vote for anyone on Jan. 4. America could vote for Barak Obama, and his electors could in turn elect Hillary Clinton President even though she was never on the ballot. Again, it is constitutionally allowable. In fact, this just might be the very best argument for the Electoral College's existence!
But what if Obama wins in the Electoral college with and then before Jan. 20 it is determined that he cannot serve? Biden becomes president (I think).
What if it comes out that Obama is not legal after Jan 20 once he has been sworn in? What then? Would a democratic congress impeach him? Would the supreme court have some legal authority to force him out without impeachment proceedings?
Would he be allowed to serve out the term?
In my mind there is less than a 5% chance any of this will happen but it is out there. and if it does happen, it will be the biggest constitutional crisis in more than a hundred years. And it will certainly cause massive chaos. Just something to think about.
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Personally, I think that even if he is NOT a citizen, there is so much at stake the the powers that be will do whatever it takes to get around that "little bump in the road" and we will never know the truth.
Yep... the constitution is increasingly seen as a little annoyance these days.
If he is elected.... or even now... just because he is the Dem Candidate...
To Americans... status quo is gospel.
Whatever people have become used to trumps all law, constitutional edicts or anything else.
If it has become accepted in their minds as the "way it is" then all else that speaks against it is ludicrous and nuts even when everything in front of their eyes speak otherwise.
He is a citizen of the U.S. by virtue of the fact he was born to his mother, an American citizen. I think what you are speaking of is the fact that a President must be born within the borders of the U.S. If BO was born outside of America's borders, technically it could be said that he doesn't qualify, but I doubt if anyone would deny him the presidency on such a technicality. If the voting population won't deny him the presidency for all of the other obvious reasons, I doubt that the public will allow him being denied on such a basis.
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He is a citizen of the U.S. by virtue of the fact he was born to his mother, an American citizen. I think what you are speaking of is the fact that a President must be born within the borders of the U.S. If BO was born outside of America's borders, technically it could be said that he doesn't qualify, but I doubt if anyone would deny him the presidency on such a technicality. If the voting population won't deny him the presidency for all of the other obvious reasons, I doubt that the public will allow him being denied on such a basis.
Deac, i pretty much agree with you however, if the case in court right now is to be believed, there is more to it than the way you explained it. The acutal law doesnt say born to an American mother. or at least it didnt at the time he was born.
I am not saying that I think he isnt a natural born citizen.
For me that isnt the question, as it will be worked out one way or another in the courts.
for me the question is, what happens if?
If he is deemed to not be constitutionally qualified to be president, this is going to be a very big moment in American history.
Personally I hope it comes out that he is a citizen. I dont want to see the results of what would happen if it turns out otherwise.
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Hmm...was, is not and yet is. Maybe that's what would happen.
Fascinating . . .
There is already so much that is unconstitutional about our government and our laws that this would scarcely be a hiccup. The constitution became irrelevant in 1865. You could go on and on about the founders rolling over in their graves about this particular constitutional violation, but the founders would call a great deal of our conventional and accepted legislative framework tyrannical or treasonous.
We presently only use our constitution when it is convenient.
It would take an inconceivable coordination of circumstances to take us back to a republic that honored the constitution. The first one would be to reverse the secularization of the American culture. The republic was suitable for governing God-fearing people, but no other.
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