to DM concerning Daniel

[Sister Alvear]

One of the primary words for mercy in the Hebrew scriptures is Chesed. It has the meaning of kindness, graciousness or mercy.

I am addressing DM.
I do not know you and you do not know me. I hold to what may be termed by many outdated standards...I do not cut my hair and have been over 40 years on the mission field. So I think I can say I speak as one that has gleaned the fields.

I think LS has a wonderful ministry...I followed the news when he had the heart attack and read of the great wonders of our Lord. I have heard many awesome sermons by him and have personally witnessed him under the anointing of the HG.

I think however most of us do not agree with Magic hair...even our dear Brother Epley made that statement on another thread a while back.

If we see and feel the bible teaches long hair then the bible and the bible alone is enough. We do not have to go to witches or things like that for our information. I simply use long hair because I personally feel my hair was given to me for a covering...

HOWEVER I do not teach my ladies about witches ...our people came from the depths of devil worship...They are sure not going to do something because a witch says to do it.

I have precious sisters that feel quite different than I do. Does that make me more spiritual than them? Does my long hair give me a free pass to that city? I think not. I do it in simple obedience to what I feel is right...if I am wrong I will just tell the Lord I didn´t cut it just in case...

Will I still need mercy on that day? Yes, dear one I most certainly will...
We are only clay vessels at our very best...

Daniel is young...yes it is true he jumps in and says things...but that is just our Daniel.
I do not belong to the UPC but have nothing bad to say about them...although I do not personally agree to some things…however I am sure they would not agree to some things about my church… I know being the leader of many it is so easy to make so mistakes...so hard to keep things headed in the right direction. Unless you have been under the pressures of leadership you will never know the nights a leader stays awake wondering if he/she made the right decision.
If you have good feelings about the UPC express them…let other s know what they mean to you. If you were wronged, you forgave…

Forgivness is the high road...

Blessings to you...

[dizzyde]

Daniel is still my most Apostolic friend! Love ya Dan!

[Sister Alvear]

I don´t know where the thread went where he was addressing Daniel but had to speak up for him!

[Dedicated Mind]

Dear Sis Alvear, I appreciate your kind words. I like Dan, but attacking LS has been the straw that broke the camel's back. I've followed Dan's arguments about grace and baptism and I appreciate a different perspective, but to ridicule an annointed man of God with many miracles that confirm his ministry is just too much. Yes, Dan is young but someone has to speak out on this forum when he continually attacks the institution that is responsible for the salvation of millions of souls. I hope we all can make it to heaven.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Dear Sis Alvear, I appreciate your kind words. I like Dan, but attacking LS has been the straw that broke the camel's back. I've followed Dan's arguments about grace and baptism and I appreciate a different perspective, but to ridicule an annointed man of God with many miracles that confirm his ministry is just too much. Yes, Dan is young but someone has to speak out on this forum when he continually attacks the institution that is responsible for the salvation of millions of souls. I hope we all can make it to heaven.

Sorry but most who followed that thread know of the two posters that ridiculed LS personally ... both my friends ... but don't confuse their remarks w/ mine.

I have not until this moment received any pms or infractions for ridiculing LS personally.

I will ridicule the notion that this is not damnable heresy and speak out strongly against the errors in it ... including calling the doctrine dangerous, flaky, damnable, false, etc.

Your problem w/ me might be that I started the thread and that it has been the focus of controversy the last 2 days.

Just pointing out my perceptions on this one. ....

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sorry but most who followed that thread know of the two posters that ridiculed LS personally ... both my friends ... but don't confuse their remarks w/ mine.

I have not until this moment received any pms or infractions for ridiculing LS personally.

I will ridicule the notion that this is not damnable heresy and speak out strongly against the errors in it ... including calling the doctrine dangerous, flaky, damnable, false, etc.

Your problem w/ me might be that I started the thread and that it has been the focus of controversy the last 2 days.

Just pointing out my perceptions on this one. ....

Dan, the fact that you even brought up the thread criticizing bro Stoneking is enough. You then inserted the word "magic" which LS never used. You then want to start a blog using LS. Like I told Sis Alvear, I would Rather listen To bro Stoneking on the issue than your opinion just by virtue of his ministry.
"because of the angels" is open to interpretation.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Dan, the fact that you even brought up the thread criticizing bro Stoneking is enough. You then inserted the word "magic" which LS never used. You then want to start a blog using LS. Like I told Sis Alvear, I would Rather listen To bro Stoneking on the issue than your opinion just by virtue of his ministry.
"because of the angels" is open to interpretation.

Sir you said I ridiculed him personally yet cannot give an example other than a common practice we all engage in of discussing the contents of a person's or groups public messages.

A forum may not be the right setting for you DM ...

Be upset w/ my delivery or focus ...

and if you want to follow signs and wonders and a man ... so be it ...

but don't perpetuate falsehoods.

I along w/ many posters and moderators spoke about the content of his message and criticized it's validity and veracity ....

if you have a problem w/ that then address this entire forum w/ your judgmentalism about judgmentalism.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sorry but most who followed that thread know of the two posters that ridiculed LS personally ... both my friends ... but don't confuse their remarks w/ mine.

I have not until this moment received any pms or infractions for ridiculing LS personally.

I will ridicule the notion that this is not damnable heresy and speak out strongly against the errors in it ... including calling the doctrine dangerous, flaky, damnable, false, etc.

Your problem w/ me might be that I started the thread and that it has been the focus of controversy the last 2 days.

Just pointing out my perceptions on this one. ....

Attacking the man's word and saying it is heresy is the same as a personal attack when the scripture is clearly open to interpretation.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Attacking the man's word and saying it is heresy is the same as a personal attack when the scripture is clearly open to interpretation.

Sorry most here are able to compartmentalize DM ... and separate the two.

Did Paul and the first century church personally attack the doctrine of ministers who were Judaizers and Gnostics ... you betcha ...

They did not tolerate it as "creative" differences ...

These issues were so important that entire councils met to address them (Acts 15)... entire passages and epistles address false doctrine of people who did not fail in their religious zeal or practiced miracles but rather taught doctrine contrary to the Word of God.

These were not pagans ... or dreaded "Trinitarians"

their message of Jesus Christ plus something else ... did not sit well w/ the Church.

Paul also addressed this question in his Epistle to Galatians in which he condemned those who insisted that the proselyte ritual had to be followed for justification as "false believers" (Galatians 2:4)

They thought the doctrine of the Judaizers and Gnostics were inconsistent, brought light by addressing their errors and even suggested disfellowshipping them ...

I find it interesting that some who have isolated themselves from the rest of mainstream of Christianity for issues I believe of much less import ... will turn a blind eye because of who the messenger may be ....

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Attacking the man's word and saying it is heresy is the same as a personal attack when the scripture is clearly open to interpretation.

Wow - wished that worked both ways!!