I know there are countless threads on baptism. However, as I lay awake early this morning, these thoughts came to me. I'd thought it would make for interesting discussion.
The History of Baptism:
Baptism was instituted under the law. In Numbers, we see two very distinct uses for water to be used for purification rituals. One was the "waters of separation or death" and the other was the waters of the "mikevah".
The waters of purification we a type of "holy water" which was mixed with the ashes of the Red Heifer to be used by the priest to sprinkle in ceremony over an individual who was ceremonially impure.
Baptism was a ritual designed to cleanse ones body after having mingled with unclean sources. Prior to entering into the Temple, one was to "immerse' in these pools which were erected all across the Temple Mount.
These pools were to be gravity filled only by a natural source. They were built in such a way as to receive rainwater or drainage from a live river.
The purpose of baptism under the law was to "remove" any impurities physically from the body after making contact with unclean elements. A woman was to "immerse" after her period, immersion after touching a dead thing, etc. If one was ceremonially unclean, they were removed from the community. Their eternal salvation was not affected.
Baptism under the Old Covenant never washed away sinful behavior, like robbery, murder, adultery, etc. People were required to bring a sacrifice to the temple for the covering of their sins. Yearly, the high priest was required to offer the blood of the Red Heifer before God and enter into the Holy of Holies and apply that blood for the nation of Israel on the mercy seat.
The Remission of Sins always came from a sacrifice, never baptism. When someone says "the blood is applied at baptism" or baptism remits sins", they are saying baptism is replacing the sacrifice.
Jesus Christ was the sacrifice that removed the sins of humanity. This is why Satan would have us rely on our works and not on Christ. If we place our faith in baptism and not on Christ, we cannot be saved.
For without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. If we disregard the sacrifice of Christ, we might as well start bringing doves and she goats to church and cutting their throats on the altar. Because the Cross is made of "none effect".
Peter would be mortified if he knew a doctrine was created which has replaced Christ on the Cross from his own words. Peter tells us the purpose of baptism...'the answer of a good conscience towards God."
I know there are countless threads on baptism. However, as I lay awake early this morning, these thoughts came to me. I'd thought it would make for interesting discussion.
The History of Baptism:
Baptism was instituted under the law. In Numbers, we see two very distinct uses for water to be used for purification rituals. One was the "waters of separation or death" and the other was the waters of the "mikevah".
The waters of purification we a type of "holy water" which was mixed with the ashes of the Red Heifer to be used by the priest to sprinkle in ceremony over an individual who was ceremonially impure.
Baptism was a ritual designed to cleanse ones body after having mingled with unclean sources. Prior to entering into the Temple, one was to "immerse' in these pools which were erected all across the Temple Mount.
These pools were to be gravity filled only by a natural source. They were built in such a way as to receive rainwater or drainage from a live river.
The purpose of baptism under the law was to "remove" any impurities physically from the body after making contact with unclean elements. A woman was to "immerse" after her period, immersion after touching a dead thing, etc. If one was ceremonially unclean, they were removed from the community. Their eternal salvation was not affected.
Baptism under the Old Covenant never washed away sinful behavior, like robbery, murder, adultery, etc. People were required to bring a sacrifice to the temple for the covering of their sins. Yearly, the high priest was required to offer the blood of the Red Heifer before God and enter into the Holy of Holies and apply that blood for the nation of Israel on the mercy seat.
The Remission of Sins always came from a sacrifice, never baptism. When someone says "the blood is applied at baptism" or baptism remits sins", they are saying baptism is replacing the sacrifice.
Jesus Christ was the sacrifice that removed the sins of humanity. This is why Satan would have us rely on our works and not on Christ. If we place our faith in baptism and not on Christ, we cannot be saved.
For without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. If we disregard the sacrifice of Christ, we might as well start bringing doves and she goats to church and cutting their throats on the altar. Because the Cross is made of "none effect".
Peter would be mortified if he knew a doctrine was created which has replaced Christ on the Cross from his own words. Peter tells us the purpose of baptism...'the answer of a good conscience towards God."
You may have already seen this clip. This breaks down Acts 2:38 in the Greek. Grammatically broken down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Urzmrq8zw
oh good grief! we have one knucklehead telling us we have to pick between being protestants or catholics,
another knucklehead telling us we are apostate papists
and now you want us to take the word of a guy that thinks OPs are hairy ticks when it comes to understanding Acts! this is SAD dude! Ess A Dee
And lets not even talk about the fact that in the first post you tell us all how dumb we are. I mean we ARE supposed to understand that remission comes from the sacrifice!
well this post tells us it comes some place else! either faith or repentance I cant tell.
what ever. just another Universal Salvation wannbe. and the OP/Water/Spirit guys are the mixed up ones. LOL!
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
oh good grief! we have one knucklehead telling us we have to pick between being protestants or catholics,
another knucklehead telling us we are apostate papists
and now you want us to take the word of a guy that thinks OPs are hairy ticks when it comes to understanding Acts! this is SAD dude! Ess A Dee
And lets not even talk about the fact that in the first post you tell us all how dumb we are. I mean we ARE supposed to understand that remission comes from the sacrifice!
well this post tells us it comes some place else! either faith or repentance I cant tell.
what ever. just another Universal Salvation wannbe. and the OP/Water/Spirit guys are the mixed up ones. LOL!
I have to hand it to you, you are either playing a good game or extremely dense.
By grace are you saved through faith...faith in the sacrifice of Christ. By which the remission of sins came.
oh good grief! we have one knucklehead telling us we have to pick between being protestants or catholics,
another knucklehead telling us we are apostate papists
and now you want us to take the word of a guy that thinks OPs are hairy ticks when it comes to understanding Acts! this is SAD dude! Ess A Dee
And lets not even talk about the fact that in the first post you tell us all how dumb we are. I mean we ARE supposed to understand that remission comes from the sacrifice!
well this post tells us it comes some place else! either faith or repentance I cant tell.
what ever. just another Universal Salvation wannbe. and the OP/Water/Spirit guys are the mixed up ones. LOL!
Here's a little diddy my dear Ferd the papist. One Stepper two stepper 3 stepper FOUR... 5 stepper six stepper 7 steppers MORE
Yup, you and Carlton have it right. remission was at the sacrifice.
all sins were remitted at the cross, all sins are forgiven and we are all saved.
Most of Christianity holds this position, Ferd. (emboldened)
Please don't confuse OSAS or UR doctrine w/ the commonly held view of being saved by grace through faith w/o the sacramentalist approach to baptismal regeneration.
That's like saying you are a preterist or futurist because you read out of Revelation last night.
Your hyperbole and non-sequitur reasoning on this matter will not fly today.
Most of Christianity holds this position, Ferd. (emboldened)
Please don't confuse OSAS or UR doctrine w/ the commonly held view of being saved by grace through faith w/o the sacramentalist approach to baptismal regeneration.
That's like saying you are a preterist or futurist because you read out of Revelation last night.
Your hyperbole and non-sequitur reasoning on this matter will not fly today.
No dude, I give up! You and Carlton are right, Jesus did it all.
I walk in the garden of your turbulence!
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
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