Revoked Baptism?

[Digging4Truth]

Heard this weekend....

A young man came to a church wanting to be baptized.

He was refused the baptism.

He is living with his girlfriend.

He was told "baptism remits sin... but sin revokes baptism" and that he was refused the baptism until he and his girlfriend seperated housing or got married.

Your thoughts?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Heard this weekend....

A young man came to a church wanting to be baptized.

He was refused the baptism.

He is living with his girlfriend.

He was told "baptism remits sin... but sin revokes baptism" and that he was refused the baptism until he and his girlfriend seperated housing or got married.

Your thoughts?

Hmmm...heard of this happening one other time, but not for that reason. I do know that each elder will do what he determines is best at the moment. Because I don't know full details re this issue, I can't say whether this was right or wrong.

Guess it is between God and the elder, and the elder and the one whom he refused baptism.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Barb

Hmmm...heard of this happening one other time, but not for that reason. I do know that each elder will do what he determines is best at the moment. Because I don't know full details re this issue, I can't say whether this was right or wrong.

Guess it is between God and the elder, and the elder and the one whom he refused baptism.

Well I was totally blown away. I have NEVER heard anything like this being done.

To me... "Ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost has come upon you" We are instructed to repent and be baptized and then we would receive the Holy Ghost.

It seems to me that one does not possess the power over sin they need until they have received the Holy Ghost and most people repent and are baptized before they receive the Holy Ghost... Seems to me like the boy is in a catch 22.

It may not sound like it but I am open to hear some good reaoning on this but so far I can't see where this is a good thing.

The carnal mind is enmity against God... granted... It is not subject to the law of God... again... granted... but... neither indeed can it be.

The unregenerated mind cannot be subject to the law of God. It takes a new birth... to me at least.

I would definitely like to hear some additional thoughts on this.

[Sherri]

We won't baptize anyone who is living in sin. We talk to them and if they agree to separate until marriage, then we would. But if they are planning to continue living together, then we don't. We have run into this several times in this new church. It's amazing how many people don't think it's a big deal anymore!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Sherri

We won't baptize anyone who is living in sin. We talk to them and if they agree to separate until marriage, then we would. But if they are planning to continue living together, then we don't. We have run into this several times in this new church. It's amazing how many people don't think it's a big deal anymore!

Good for you and Elder!!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Sherri

We won't baptize anyone who is living in sin. We talk to them and if they agree to separate until marriage, then we would. But if they are planning to continue living together, then we don't. We have run into this several times in this new church. It's amazing how many people don't think it's a big deal anymore!

We do the same.
Why baptize to remit sin, if you are going to openly continue in it.

[LadyChocolate]

So, for those of us that still believe pants on a woman are wrong........do we make them get rid of their pants before we baptize them??????

I believe pants on a woman are for sure a sin....I'm not opening this up to be a questions of standards...I am using this for an example and not for this to lead to a thread hijacking...... there are others threads to discuss the pants issue

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Sherri

We won't baptize anyone who is living in sin. We talk to them and if they agree to separate until marriage, then we would. But if they are planning to continue living together, then we don't. We have run into this several times in this new church. It's amazing how many people don't think it's a big deal anymore!

What if they have been living together for years and have children?
Common law marriage .

Common-law marriage (or common law marriage), sometimes called informal marriage or marriage by habit and repute is, historically, a form of interpersonal status in which a man and a woman are legally married. The term is often mistakenly understood to indicate an interpersonal relationship that is not recognized in law. In fact, a common law marriage is just as legally binding as a statutory or ceremonial marriage in some jurisdictions — it is just formed differently.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by COOPER

What if they have been living together for years and have children?
Common law marriage .

Then what is Fornication?

Personally, I think it should be harder to get married and harder to get divorced.

JMHO Though

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by COOPER

What if they have been living together for years and have children?
Common law marriage .

I think if they are in a common law marriage, then they shouldn't mind letting the pastor marry them before God.