Is The Lord Legalistic

[Rev]

After after reading several posts on this site I thought that I would say of couple of things.

I noticed that tired and worn out charismatic phase “Legalism”. Well I would say that the LORD is extremely legalistic. He had a very legal document written which we call the New Testament
(Mat 26:28) or the New Covenant (Heb12:24). He had every i dotted and every t crossed. He also laid down each step that had to be followed for a person to be able to inherit the promises of that testament or covenant. As you can read below no one can add to, alter, or take away from this legal contract. He
also shed his blood and died to put this very legal document into force. (Heb 9:15-17)

When Paul discusses the relation between the promise and the Law in (Gal. 3:15), he introduces an illustration from ordinary human experience and compares the promise of God to Abraham with the διαθήκη (testament) of a man, i.e., a “will”. The many legal terms used in the passage make it clear that he is here using the word διαθήκη in the sense of Hellenistic law. This illustration from the legal sphere throws light on God’s dealings in salvation history. As a valid will cannot be contested or altered by additions, so the promise of God (→ ἐπαγγελία) which is His original “testament” cannot be invalidated by the Law (→ νόμος) which came later. The point of comparison is simply that of inviolability, unalterability and therefore absolute validity.
Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964-c1976. Vols. 5-9 edited by Gerhard Friedrich. Vol. 10 compiled by Ronald Pitkin. (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (2:129). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.


I also noticed several posts with man–made labels, ie: con – mod – etc. I say man-made because I don't remember reading about them in the bible. You see the Lord only knows two types of people. Those that keep his covenant and those that break it. This would also include those that teach correctly the words of his covenant and those that try to change, alter, distort, or ignore the obvious teachings and words of his testament or will.

[Rev]

Any replies?

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Rev

Any replies?

Hey Bro Rev,

It would take several books to address in depth all the issues you have raised in your post, but I just want to say something about the WILL.

When my mother died, in her LAST WILL and TESTAMENT, she and dad left us eleven kids quite an inheritance. I envision that they exerted a lot of work and effort, and deprived themselves of lots things that they may have wanted in order to leave that for us.

In order to get my share, all I did was to go down to the lawyer's office and gave my consent to receive my inheritance. Guess what happened? They sent me a check. Imagine that! It was all legal. I didn't have to work even one day for that check. They did all the work. Wow!

When Jesus died, in his LAST WILL and TESTAMENT, he left us quite an inheritance. I envision that he exerted a lot of work and effort, and deprived himself of lots of things that he may have wanted in order to leave that for us.

In order to get our share, all we have to do is go down and gave our consent to receive our inheritance. Guess what will happen? He...well..., just read the WILL. Imagine that! It's all legal. We don't have to work even one day for our inheritance. He did all the work. Wow!

[Rev]

Originally Posted by big-larry

Hey Bro Rev,

It would take several books to address in depth all the issues you have raised in your post, but I just want to say something about the WILL.

When my mother died, in her LAST WILL and TESTAMENT, she and dad left us eleven kids quite an inheritance. I envision that they exerted a lot of work and effort, and deprived themselves of lots things that they may have wanted in order to leave that for us.

In order to get my share, all I did was to go down to the lawyer's office and gave my consent to receive my inheritance. Guess what happened? They sent me a check. Imagine that! It was all legal. I didn't have to work even one day for that check. They did all the work. Wow!

When Jesus died, in his LAST WILL and TESTAMENT, he left us quite an inheritance. I envision that he exerted a lot of work and effort, and deprived himself of lots of things that he may have wanted in order to leave that for us.

In order to get our share, all we have to do is go down and gave our consent to receive our inheritance. Guess what will happen? He...well..., just read the WILL. Imagine that! It's all legal. We don't have to work even one day for our inheritance. He did all the work. Wow!

That reply made me cry. Thank God for the blood!

[Rev]

Originally Posted by big-larry

Hey Bro Rev,

It would take several books to address in depth all the issues you have raised in your post, but I just want to say something about the WILL.

When my mother died, in her LAST WILL and TESTAMENT, she and dad left us eleven kids quite an inheritance. I envision that they exerted a lot of work and effort, and deprived themselves of lots things that they may have wanted in order to leave that for us.

In order to get my share, all I did was to go down to the lawyer's office and gave my consent to receive my inheritance. Guess what happened? They sent me a check. Imagine that! It was all legal. I didn't have to work even one day for that check. They did all the work. Wow!

When Jesus died, in his LAST WILL and TESTAMENT, he left us quite an inheritance. I envision that he exerted a lot of work and effort, and deprived himself of lots of things that he may have wanted in order to leave that for us.

In order to get our share, all we have to do is go down and gave our consent to receive our inheritance. Guess what will happen? He...well..., just read the WILL. Imagine that! It's all legal. We don't have to work even one day for our inheritance. He did all the work. Wow!

Some of these posts are so good that everyone needs to read them!

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by big-larry

Hey Bro Rev,

It would take several books to address in depth all the issues you have raised in your post, but I just want to say something about the WILL.

When my mother died, in her LAST WILL and TESTAMENT, she and dad left us eleven kids quite an inheritance. I envision that they exerted a lot of work and effort, and deprived themselves of lots things that they may have wanted in order to leave that for us.

In order to get my share, all I did was to go down to the lawyer's office and gave my consent to receive my inheritance. Guess what happened? They sent me a check. Imagine that! It was all legal. I didn't have to work even one day for that check. They did all the work. Wow!

When Jesus died, in his LAST WILL and TESTAMENT, he left us quite an inheritance. I envision that he exerted a lot of work and effort, and deprived himself of lots of things that he may have wanted in order to leave that for us.

In order to get our share, all we have to do is go down and gave our consent to receive our inheritance. Guess what will happen? He...well..., just read the WILL. Imagine that! It's all legal. We don't have to work even one day for our inheritance. He did all the work. Wow!

AMEN Lar!!!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rev

After after reading several posts on this site I thought that I would say of couple of things.

I noticed that tired and worn out charismatic phase “Legalism”. Well I would say that the LORD is extremely legalistic. He had a very legal document written which we call the New Testament
(Mat 26:28) or the New Covenant (Heb12:24). He had every i dotted and every t crossed. He also laid down each step that had to be followed for a person to be able to inherit the promises of that testament or covenant. As you can read below no one can add to, alter, or take away from this legal contract. He
also shed his blood and died to put this very legal document into force. (Heb 9:15-17)

When Paul discusses the relation between the promise and the Law in (Gal. 3:15), he introduces an illustration from ordinary human experience and compares the promise of God to Abraham with the διαθήκη (testament) of a man, i.e., a “will”. The many legal terms used in the passage make it clear that he is here using the word διαθήκη in the sense of Hellenistic law. This illustration from the legal sphere throws light on God’s dealings in salvation history. As a valid will cannot be contested or altered by additions, so the promise of God (→ ἐπαγγελία) which is His original “testament” cannot be invalidated by the Law (→ νόμος) which came later. The point of comparison is simply that of inviolability, unalterability and therefore absolute validity.
Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964-c1976. Vols. 5-9 edited by Gerhard Friedrich. Vol. 10 compiled by Ronald Pitkin. (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (2:129). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.


I also noticed several posts with man–made labels, ie: con – mod – etc. I say man-made because I don't remember reading about them in the bible. You see the Lord only knows two types of people. Those that keep his covenant and those that break it. This would also include those that teach correctly the words of his covenant and those that try to change, alter, distort, or ignore the obvious teachings and words of his testament or will.

Yes...here is my reply.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the sabbath day. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the heads of grain and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw, they said to Him, Behold, your disciples do that which it is not lawful to do on the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But He said to them, Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him,
Mat 12:4 how he entered into the house of God and ate the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have you not read in the Law that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say to you that One greater than the temple is in this place.
Mat 12:7 But if you had known what this is, "I desire mercy and not sacrifice," you would not have condemned those who are not guilty.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the sabbath.
Mat 12:9 And when He had departed from there, He went into their synagogue.
Mat 12:10 And behold, a man having a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbaths? This so that they might accuse Him.
Mat 12:11 And He said to them, What man among you will be, who will have one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the sabbaths, will he not lay hold on it and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much better is a man then than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then He said to the man, Stretch out your hand. And he stretched it out, and it was restored whole like the other.
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out and held council against Him, as to how they might destroy Him.

[Sister Alvear]

a young girl walked into our church in Brazil...Her blouse was too thin and too short...I will not even describe her skirt. Her hair was far too orange...

My dear friend and American sister whispered and told me there was someone I really needed to set straight...

I didn´t mean to let a tear fall but it did...I looked at my dear visiting friend and said," I am just glad she is here she was at the red light district last night..."

A few weeks ago a boy walked into my house and another American friend (?) said something to me afterwards...he felt the wrong spirit from the boy...Yes, Brother I agree the boy has problems but did you ever stop to think my friendship with him may be the only thing standing between him and hell?

I brought a prostitute home with me one night...she had come to church and it was either to my house or the streets she would go...Prayed her through that night in my living room many years ago and never again did she go back to the world of Gomer...

My dear friends our Jesus was a friend of sinners...we sometimes cannot get that...HOLY, WORSHIPPED Jesus sitting with sinners, eating at their homes, healing their sick. No the religious of His day did not understand him and neither do most now...they had too many laws to follow to even notice he was the Messiah.
His laws were so different than theirs…they missed HIM and HIS purpose…
I hope somewhere we all can find balance and love.

I hope in my love for truth and God I have not driven the sinner away...You know that is possible...
PS Before you judge me and this little note go to my missionary pictures…

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

a young girl walked into our church in Brazil...Her blouse was too thin and too short...I will not even describe her skirt. Her hair was far too orange...

My dear friend and American sister whispered and told me there was someone I really needed to set straight...

I didn´t mean to let a tear fall but it did...I looked at my dear visiting friend and said," I am just glad she is here she was at the red light district last night..."

A few weeks ago a boy walked into my house and another American friend (?) said something to me afterwards...he felt the wrong spirit from the boy...Yes, Brother I agree the boy has problems but did you ever stop to think my friendship with him may be the only thing standing between him and hell?

I brought a prostitute home with me one night...she had come to church and it was either to my house or the streets she would go...Prayed her through that night in my living room many years ago and never again did she go back to the world of Gomer...

My dear friends our Jesus was a friend of sinners...we sometimes cannot get that...HOLY, WORSHIPPED Jesus sitting with sinners, eating at their homes, healing their sick. No the religious of His day did not understand him and neither do most now...they had too many laws to follow to even notice he was the Messiah.
His laws were so different than theirs…they missed HIM and HIS purpose…
I hope somewhere we all can find balance and love.

I hope in my love for truth and God I have not driven the sinner away...You know that is possible...
PS Before you judge me and this little note go to my missionary pictures…

Is Benny DeMerchant still in Brazil?

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

a young girl walked into our church in Brazil...Her blouse was too thin and too short...I will not even describe her skirt. Her hair was far too orange...

My dear friend and American sister whispered and told me there was someone I really needed to set straight...

I didn´t mean to let a tear fall but it did...I looked at my dear visiting friend and said," I am just glad she is here she was at the red light district last night..."

A few weeks ago a boy walked into my house and another American friend (?) said something to me afterwards...he felt the wrong spirit from the boy...Yes, Brother I agree the boy has problems but did you ever stop to think my friendship with him may be the only thing standing between him and hell?

I brought a prostitute home with me one night...she had come to church and it was either to my house or the streets she would go...Prayed her through that night in my living room many years ago and never again did she go back to the world of Gomer...

My dear friends our Jesus was a friend of sinners...we sometimes cannot get that...HOLY, WORSHIPPED Jesus sitting with sinners, eating at their homes, healing their sick. No the religious of His day did not understand him and neither do most now...they had too many laws to follow to even notice he was the Messiah.
His laws were so different than theirs…they missed HIM and HIS purpose…
I hope somewhere we all can find balance and love.

I hope in my love for truth and God I have not driven the sinner away...You know that is possible...
PS Before you judge me and this little note go to my missionary pictures…

All one need do is to remember where we can from to get to where we are today. You did exactly right in all that you wrote about.