Is it ODD or is it just me?

[Steve Epley]

If no one is really leaving the UPC and the number leaving is so small why all these letters and e-mails from both past and present officials???? Me thinks they protest toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much. What do you think?

[RevBuddy]

I think it's just you...

















...just kidding...

[rgcraig]

I think it's more to it all than both sides want to really confess to.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I think it's more to it all than both sides want to really confess to.

I do NOT believe the officials ever thought the fall out would be this big and dramatic?

I talked to an Southern preacher today who told me Elder Craft is actively calling preachers who are out from under his ministry requesting them to leave. Two preachers out from under him told this friend of mine personally this week.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe the officials ever thought the fall out would be this big and dramatic?

I talked to an Southern preacher today who told me Elder Craft is actively calling preachers who are out from under his ministry requesting them to leave. Two preachers out from under him told this friend of mine personally this week.

That's sad and what was presented here originally as not happening. I think we all saw the handwriting on the wall.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe the officials ever thought the fall out would be this big and dramatic?

I talked to an Southern preacher today who told me Elder Craft is actively calling preachers who are out from under his ministry requesting them to leave. Two preachers out from under him told this friend of mine personally this week.

Some did. And some that fought the resolution for that reason got mud on their faces for it.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe the officials ever thought the fall out would be this big and dramatic?
I talked to an Southern preacher today who told me Elder Craft is actively calling preachers who are out from under his ministry requesting them to leave. Two preachers out from under him told this friend of mine personally this week.

What fallout??? 13 preachers?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe the officials ever thought the fall out would be this big and dramatic?

I talked to an Southern preacher today who told me Elder Craft is actively calling preachers who are out from under his ministry requesting them to leave. Two preachers out from under him told this friend of mine personally this week.

Like Renda said, that's exactly the kind of thing that the Tulsa proponents said would NOT happen- the proselytizing.

I don't get "Elder Craft." I only met him once and never really knew him. Is he trying to "prove" something after leaving MS? That's just the impression that I've been getting from him over the last few years. I hope I'm wrong. He always seemed like a stand up guy.

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Like Renda said, that's exactly the kind of thing that the Tulsa proponents said would NOT happen- the proselytizing.

I don't get "Elder Craft." I only met him once and never really knew him. Is he trying to "prove" something after leaving MS? That's just the impression that I've been getting from him over the last few years. I hope I'm wrong. He always seemed like a stand up guy.

I don't understand this either.

All I can figure is TLC is pretty elderly now, his time in the sun has past and First UPC in Jackson is now a far cry from what it was in its heyday.

Maybe he sees this as one final chance to make an impact.

If he IS calling preachers to leave, it IS petty.

And while TLC could be simplistic and not a real critical intellectual thinker, "petty" is a word I thought I would never use to describe TLC.

Sounds to me like these guys are using him for some kind of mascot.

Quite sad and pitiful, really.

[timlan2057]

Just to make sure I'm getting the right story, I'll ask some of my old friends to perhaps fill an old comrade in for old time's sake - those who were under TLC's ministry.

Darrell Johns?

Larry Sims?

Donald Moore?

If you guys don't lurk here, someone who knows you would. My email address is timlan205789@yahoo.com or I'll give my cell phone number via PM.

Is Craft calling you and trying to persuade you to leave the UPC?

If so, what is motivating him to do this?

The Thomas L. Craft I knew would have felt like G. R. Travis.

I'd really, sincerely like to know what's going on here.

And I stand behind what I say: if Craft is doing this, it's petty, it's stupid and I will lose a ton of respect for the man.