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03-29-2007, 07:50 AM
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Apostolic Women...Apostolic Nuns...
I am sitting through a week long class and in this class is a nun who works with HIV positive patients.
I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.
I then considered the pretty outrageous thought (the class is rather boring), Apostolic women are the representation of the Apostolic (or more specifically the UPC) nuns considering the expectations of the church on the women!
Ask yourself, why are there more nuns than priests, why aren't monks as prolific as nuns, and why is it that there are more women active in the A-church (from a perspective of buy-in) than men?
It is too funny and interesting a contrast and comparison to just let go by, so I had to present it to you people.
I also had an epiphany that we have embraced the Catholic tradition of calling each other "Brother and Sister" too.
I love hanging around Catholics, so much clarity it brings forth !!!!!
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03-29-2007, 07:51 AM
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I am sitting through a week long class and in this class is a nun who works with HIV positive patients.
I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.
I then considered the pretty outrageous thought (the class is rather boring), Apostolic women are the representation of the Apostolic (or more specifically the UPC) nuns considering the expectations of the church on the women!
Ask yourself, why are there more nuns than priests, why aren't monks as prolific as nuns, and why is it that there are more women active in the A-church (from a perspective of buy-in) than men?
It is too funny and interesting a contrast and comparison to just let go by, so I had to present it to you people.
I also had an epiphany that we have embraced the Catholic tradition of calling each other "Brother and Sister" too.
I love hanging around Catholics, so much clarity it brings forth !!!!! ![Slap Happy](http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/smilies/slaphappy.gif)
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And the point is??????????????????????????
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03-29-2007, 08:00 AM
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I also had an epiphany that we have embraced the Catholic tradition of calling each other "Brother and Sister" too. ...I love hanging around Catholics, so much clarity it brings forth !!!!! ![Slap Happy](http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/smilies/slaphappy.gif)
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Are you having fun yet????
I dislike being called "Sister" anything...it makes me feel old!
I wouldn't call it a Catholic tradition....
Romans 14:10 "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ."
Romans 16:23 "Gaius mine host, and of the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother."
I Corinthians 5:11 "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."
I Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace."
Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:"
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
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03-29-2007, 08:11 AM
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Are you having fun yet????
I dislike being called "Sister" anything...it makes me feel old!
I wouldn't call it a Catholic tradition....
Romans 14:10 "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ."
Romans 16:23 "Gaius mine host, and of the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother."
I Corinthians 5:11 "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."
I Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace."
Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:"
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None of these verses show that these were addressed as brother or sister.
We do not use the trem in our church much..we try not to..old habits are hard to break.
Our newer guests feeling uncomfortable with it..or anyone feeling out of place by everyone being called bro or sis and them not being addressed as bro or sis.
Just trying to sensitive to new folks.
Whatever works in your church.
Our pastor is also addressed, as he asked to be, by Pastor "first name"
Some here might consider that disrespectful, but I assure our pastor is respected and loved.
If it is disrespectful..then please tell me Paul's last name
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03-29-2007, 08:13 AM
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None of these verses show that these were addressed as brother or sister.
We do not use the trem in our church much..we try not to..old habits are hard to break.
Our newer guests feeling uncomfortable with it..or anyone feeling out of place by everyone being called bro or sis and them not being addressed as bro or sis.
Just trying to sensitive to new folks.
Whatever works in your church.
Our pastor is also addressed, as he asked to be, by Pastor "first name"
Some here might consider that disrespectful, but I assure our pastor is respected and loved.
If it is disrespectful..then please tell me Paul's last name
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I thought it was Paul - - Apostle Paul.....lol!
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03-29-2007, 08:14 AM
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None of these verses show that these were addressed as brother or sister.
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No, but they were referenced as such, and that is probably where the tradition derived from, which was my point. (...rather than from the Catholic church.)
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I didn't say that it was disrespectful.
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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03-29-2007, 08:22 AM
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No, but they were referenced as such, and that is probably where the tradition derived from, which was my point. (...rather than from the Catholic church.)
I didn't say that it was disrespectful. ![Smile](http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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1. I agree ..probably where it came from..or from the Quakers
2. I didn't say you did. Asked IF it is
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03-29-2007, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
None of these verses show that these were addressed as brother or sister.
We do not use the trem in our church much..we try not to..old habits are hard to break.
Our newer guests feeling uncomfortable with it..or anyone feeling out of place by everyone being called bro or sis and them not being addressed as bro or sis.
Just trying to sensitive to new folks.
Whatever works in your church.
Our pastor is also addressed, as he asked to be, by Pastor "first name"
Some here might consider that disrespectful, but I assure our pastor is respected and loved.
If it is disrespectful..then please tell me Paul's last name
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*note to self...get to threads before freeatlast to avoid being a pentecostal parrot*
Amen to the spirit embodied above.
non-specific titles are perfectly appropriate as a substitute for a proper name and do bear witness of the premise of our shared association --one family in heavean and earth.
When the title gets affixed to a proper name it has now become a basis for segregation rather than unity.
If I use my professional license initials (in my case they are suffixed), I am distinguishing myself from those who can not, in honesty, include them.
Dr. or Prof. are two other very common differentiators.
If we apply the title of Brother or Sister as an antecedent and then continue to afix it to a given or proper name, we are inherently acknowledging a position of distinction that one must acknowledge membership in or not membership in.
How does that edify?
"HI, FELLOW WITHIN PERSON, ISN"T IT GREAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE WITHIN [and all these other folks can try and figure out if they are WITHOUT].
Oh in case any of you were wondering....this is only my opinion.
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03-29-2007, 08:06 AM
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I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.
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You sound so judgemental and legalistic! Shouldn't she have freedom to dress as she chooses. No one made her become a nun.
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03-29-2007, 08:10 AM
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Carp,
I get your humor.
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