Today's message at my church- Judgment is coming to America

[Thad]

one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not just a thought but it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.

when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter. He;'s told me things and it was always on

anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, no one will be taking holidays, all the planes will be empty, the vacation resorts will be empty, it will be a time of great terror.

I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.

the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation

any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?

[rgcraig]

No, we need to be shaken. Keith started a thread like this - I'll bump it.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

No, we need to be shaken. Keith started a thread like this - I'll bump it.

wow and I haven't been around in a while.

maybe God is up to something ??

[Carpenter]

What? No revival talk? How come negative messages and talk like this is what gives us pause? Are we so afraid of losing our comfort zone that we are only sobered by bad news?

Ever since 9-11 it seems like there are many doomsday prophets running around. They have said that Saddam and Osama Bin have brought more people to church than any combination of preachers.

Newsflash: In the world ye shall have tribulation, but been of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.

I don't buy being spiritually motivated through fear, nor am I going to live a chicken little lifestyle, however, I can and predict with 100% certainty that....things are going to change.

I trust the goodness of God and serve him with gladness. I refuse to be ruled or managed by fear.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

What? No revival talk? How come negative messages and talk like this is what gives us pause? Are we so afraid of losing our comfort zone that we are only sobered by bad news?

Ever since 9-11 it seems like there are many doomsday prophets running around. They have said that Saddam and Osama Bin have brought more people to church than any combination of preachers.

Newsflash: In the world ye shall have tribulation, but been of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.

I don't buy being spiritually motivated through fear, nor am I going to live a chicken little lifestyle, however, I can and predict with 100% certainty that....things are going to change.

I trust the goodness of God and serve him with gladness. I refuse to be ruled or managed by fear.

Carp my church is not one that is constantly hammered on Doom and gloom it doesn't go over well here but this time was different I just felt it in my spirit.
He did tell the church that all of this was actually good news. It often took Judgment for israel to turn back to the God of their fathers. it's human nature

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

What? No revival talk? How come negative messages and talk like this is what gives us pause? Are we so afraid of losing our comfort zone that we are only sobered by bad news?

Ever since 9-11 it seems like there are many doomsday prophets running around. They have said that Saddam and Osama Bin have brought more people to church than any combination of preachers.

Newsflash: In the world ye shall have tribulation, but been of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.

I don't buy being spiritually motivated through fear, nor am I going to live a chicken little lifestyle, however, I can and predict with 100% certainty that....things are going to change.

I trust the goodness of God and serve him with gladness. I refuse to be ruled or managed by fear.

I believe this too Carp, but I also think some are "too comfortable" and don't have the depth in their spiritual walk that they need to substain a tribulation.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I believe this too Carp, but I also think some are "too comfortable" and don't have the depth in their spiritual walk that they need to substain a tribulation.

I agree, there is a need for retrospect, examination, and spiritual introspection, but really, I have been hearing apocalyptic bad news since I have been in the church and frankly, I don't buy the emotional pull that gives it its legs.

There is a call, a need for consistent and constant examination, levelheaded reasoning, and not emotional, run-to the altar tonight because the sky is falling!!!!

When I hear this junk being spewed to Young people it really gets under my skin! Young people are impressionable and their futures are already uncertain enough with out people, preachers constantly telling them they have nothing to live for (in essence) so they should get to the altar NOW!

Originally Posted by Carpenter

What? No revival talk? How come negative messages and talk like this is what gives us pause? Are we so afraid of losing our comfort zone that we are only sobered by bad news?

Ever since 9-11 it seems like there are many doomsday prophets running around. They have said that Saddam and Osama Bin have brought more people to church than any combination of preachers.

Newsflash: In the world ye shall have tribulation, but been of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.

I don't buy being spiritually motivated through fear, nor am I going to live a chicken little lifestyle, however, I can and predict with 100% certainty that....things are going to change.

I trust the goodness of God and serve him with gladness. I refuse to be ruled or managed by fear.

To this, I say a hearty "amen."

When I see troubles coming and the distress of nations as we are seeing now, I look up because I know that redemption is drawing near. It is not a time for fear, sadness and the "chicken little attitude" for the righteous.

When we see these things approaching, having spiritual eyes and understanding, it is a time of rejoicing in the God of our salvation. Look, since time began David recognized that nations are going to have tribulation because they turned their back on God, nothing unlike America is doing:

Psa 9:16 The LORD is known [by] the judgment [which] he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.


Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.


Psa 9:18 For the needy shall not alway be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall [not] perish for ever.


Psa 9:19 Arise, O LORD; let not man prevail: let the heathen be judged in thy sight.


Psa 9:20 Put them in fear, O LORD: [that] the nations may know themselves [to be but] men. Selah.

The fate of the wicked and that of the righteous is not the same fate. We can rejoice in the God of our salvation, seeing that deliverance has come to our dwellings and not ONE HAIR of our head shall perish from the swift destruction of the wicked.

Meanwhile, I will life today to its fullest extent and might even put some money in XOM, possibly in P&G. If anyone is interested, SA would be a good place to put some as is TXN and C too.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Thad

one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not a voice it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.

when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter.

anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, all the planes will be empty, a time of great terror.

I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.

the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation

any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?

I don't think so Thad ... I too feel a judgment coming soon ... and a subsequent persecution of the American church ...

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I don't think so Thad ... I too feel a judgment coming soon ... and a subsequent persecution of the American church ...

I think you are right Dan.


It's so bad here - sin is so open and blantant it makes me sick.


The youth are in Bad shape.


2 parents had lunch with my brother and said in Jr high the boys are opening making out with other boys and it's cool - girls too.
the parents are worried to death

The New thing in california is to break yourself in sexually with the same sex, if you haven't you are not cool at all.