Can a true Christian embrace Che Guevarra ?

[Originalist]

How can a true Christian support a murderer at heart?

"If the missiles had remained, we would have fired them against the very heart of the U.S., including New York. The victory of socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims.”

(Che Guevara, November 1962.)

[Dedicated Mind]

i don't embrace che's total socialism. third way is what bill clinton and obama espouse. using the free market to achieve the goals of socialism without government control of the economy but free market principles that help alleviate poverty, increase education for the populace and regulate income inequality with a progressive tax code and universal healthcare. those should be the goals of any sincere, authentic and conscience led christian.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't embrace che's total socialism. third way is what bill clinton and obama espouse. using the free market to achieve the goals of socialism without government control of the economy but free market principles that help alleviate poverty, increase education for the populace and regulate income inequality with a progressive tax code and universal healthcare. those should be the goals of any sincere, authentic and conscience led christian.

Then why use an image of a mass murderer at heart......brother ?

Furthermore ,our "progressive tax code" has not helped the poor. Why not embrace the FAIR TAX?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Then why use an image of a mass murderer at heart......brother ?

Furthermore ,our "progressive tax code" has not helped the poor. Why not embrace the FAIR TAX?

we need more progressivity in america and christians need to be aware of the alternatives and become more socially conscious. moving away from the other worldliness of salvation in the afterlife to salvation and the kingdom of God in the here and now. To help the poor is to help Christ. Our "christian" system of government should reflect that.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

we need more progressivity in america and christians need to be aware of the alternatives and become more socially conscious. moving away from the other worldliness of salvation in the afterlife to salvation and the kingdom of God in the here and now. To help the poor is to help Christ. Our "christian" system of government should reflect that.

what does that have to do with a picture of a murderer?
Our Government is not a Christian system. It's a secular government.

[Praxeas]

Where have these principles been put into effect and worked?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

what does that have to do with a picture of a murderer?
Our Government is not a Christian system. It's a secular government.

i don't advocate violence but che was fighting for freedom and social equality. is george washington, abraham lincoln, george bush a murderer?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

what does that have to do with a picture of a murderer?
Our Government is not a Christian system. It's a secular government.

i don't advocate violence but murder is in the eye of the beholder. the british consider george washington a murderer. southeners consider lincoln a murderer. iraqis consider bush a murderer. the japanese consider truman a murderer who did drop an atomic bomb. whose view is valid? i don't consider che a murderer. it's called ethnocentricity, an ethnic point of view.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

we need more progressivity in america and christians need to be aware of the alternatives and become more socially conscious. moving away from the other worldliness of salvation in the afterlife to salvation and the kingdom of God in the here and now. To help the poor is to help Christ. Our "christian" system of government should reflect that.

Socially conscious? So having an avatar of a murderous thug will make me socially conscious? What about a T-shirt? Like every other drunk American future college dropout? Would that make me "socially conscious" enough for you? What if I smoked a joint and listened to Bob Marley talk about peace and then looked at Obama put out my hand and demanded my welfare check. Is that conscious enough for you?

Here's how "conscious" I am. I know this Marxist agenda inside and out and it leads to only one thing: death. Karl Marx was an atheist, not some champion of christian values. His Marxist theories were entirely based upon Charles Darwin's theory of evolution (this you can look up). It was Marxism that led to the most inhumane, disgusting, and violent regimes in human history. Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Though each marxist leader had their different strategies and theories about how "socialism" would rule the world each generally had a few things in common:

1. the belief that religion of any kind is a threat to the ultimate power of the state (especially Christianity) and therefore it and it's practitioners must be eliminated.
2. the world is overpopulated and population control must be achieved both for "environmental" reasons and for the sake of safe guarding the "revolution" (it's easier to control less people).

These two main ideas led to come of the world's worst mass murders. These individuals had no regard for human life, no regard for community, they murdered as many people possible for the sake of their "revolution". China even today has a destructive one world policy, and we know that Planned Parenthood was created by a Marxist feminist Margaret Sanger who published an anti-religion pamphlet monthly declaring that an increase in abortions would be wonderful because it'd cause the population to go down, especially blacks and latinos. But yet we continue to play this game like the modern democratic party that praises planned parenthood, the birthchild of a racist madwoman, champions homosexuality, has pursued every form of gun control it can to the destruction of the inner cities of America, has put together one of the most complex and tangled up messes of a federal government this nation has ever known is not what it truly is, a party of far left socialism and a ultimately a party of what far left socialism brings: death.

There is NOTHING christian about the liberal agenda and the lie that you are "standing up" for the poor is just as much a slap in the face to our intelligence as you trying to make Guevara a Christian's hero.

No I'll keep my guns and I'll keep my religion. For good reason. Your agenda is death, just like your heroes and those heroes speak volumes to what you truly believe.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Socially conscious? So having an avatar of a murderous thug will make me socially conscious? What about a T-shirt? Like every other drunk American future college dropout? Would that make me "socially conscious" enough for you? What if I smoked a joint and listened to Bob Marley talk about peace and then looked at Obama put out my hand and demanded my welfare check. Is that conscious enough for you?

Here's how "conscious" I am. I know this Marxist agenda inside and out and it leads to only one thing: death. Karl Marx was an atheist, not some champion of christian values. His Marxist theories were entirely based upon Charles Darwin's theory of evolution (this you can look up). It was Marxism that led to the most inhumane, disgusting, and violent regimes in human history. Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Though each marxist leader had their different strategies and theories about how "socialism" would rule the world each generally had a few things in common:

1. the belief that religion of any kind is a threat to the ultimate power of the state (especially Christianity) and therefore it and it's practitioners must be eliminated.
2. the world is overpopulated and population control must be achieved both for "environmental" reasons and for the sake of safe guarding the "revolution" (it's easier to control less people).

These two main ideas led to come of the world's worst mass murders. These individuals had no regard for human life, no regard for community, they murdered as many people possible for the sake of their "revolution". China even today has a destructive one world policy, and we know that Planned Parenthood was created by a Marxist feminist Margaret Sanger who published an anti-religion pamphlet monthly declaring that an increase in abortions would be wonderful because it'd cause the population to go down, especially blacks and latinos. But yet we continue to play this game like the modern democratic party that praises planned parenthood, the birthchild of a racist madwoman, champions homosexuality, has pursued every form of gun control it can to the destruction of the inner cities of America, has put together one of the most complex and tangled up messes of a federal government this nation has ever known is not what it truly is, a party of far left socialism and a ultimately a party of what far left socialism brings: death.

There is NOTHING christian about the liberal agenda and the lie that you are "standing up" for the poor is just as much a slap in the face to our intelligence as you trying to make Guevara a Christian's hero.

No I'll keep my guns and I'll keep my religion. For good reason. Your agenda is death, just like your heroes and those heroes speak volumes to what you truly believe.

marx, lenin and stalin championed state socialism. Third way is not state socialim but free market socialim. you are in the wrong century. hugo chavez is a christian socialist. che is just an icon.