KH believes the Light Doctrine??

[Scott Pitta]

I operate on the assumption that I am always wrong about something.

I see through a glass darkly.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I operate on the assumption that I am always wrong about something.

I see through a glass darkly.

And I, as well.

Jesus is TRUTH. John wrote that Jesus is the TRUTH, the LIGHT, and the WAY. I follow Jesus, who is truth, and trust that he will lead me into all truth through my faith in Him. I know I have much to learn, therefore I do not claim to know or understand it all, and yes... we all see through a glass darkly. We see shadows and think we understand it all. We see in part, and for now the glass is dark. I look forward to the eternal day with no shadows when all shall be seen and known clearly!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I operate on the assumption that I am always wrong about something.

I see through a glass darkly.

Take those sunglasses off when you are indoors!

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I operate on the assumption that I am always wrong about something.
I see through a glass darkly.

That means you are right on something else.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Acts 16:29-31

29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.

30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Acts 16:29-31
29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.
30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

I believe we are all responsible for the light we have, as well as for the
light we reject. There will be a time when the Lord will declare that any
who are righteous, will be righteous; and any who are dirty will remain so. Until
that time, we remain responsible for what we receive, and what we reject.

The jailer called for a light, and saw the men who could proclaim truth to him.
Even so, those who call for the "light" will be shown the way of salvation: "For
whosoever shall call upon the NAME of the Lord shall be saved."

[Scott Pitta]

Kenneth Haney the humble pastor wrote many books. He preached many sermons.

Surely, if he taught the light doctrine, it would be documented somewhere.

Any documentation out there ?

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Kenneth Haney the humble pastor wrote many books. He preached many sermons.

Surely, if he taught the light doctrine, it would be documented somewhere.

Any documentation out there ?

There is no written documentation of such.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The fact is that Keith4him IS close to that family, and has been in Stockton for a long time, so he potentially has information you and I do not.

It is common knowledge by most that Clyde Haney taught the "friend of the bride" doctrine, which is nothing more than the light doctrine. Why would it be a stretch to state that his son believes the same? I find it very reasonable and logical to say that the father passed on his doctrine to his son.

[Amanah]

Posted by pelathais post #28

"I believe there are writings of Oneness Pentecostal pioneers that make it clear that they believed people not having been "saved" in the three step manner were going to make heaven. I think some of those writings would make for a good discussion of a documented premise.
I'm testing the waters with an upload of a pdf document... and there it is!

John Dearing seems to take a different tack at this issue than the "light" and "lesser light" teachings. The attached PDF document is a scan from the Pentecostal Home Study Course, copyright PPH and etc. This was required reading for all UPC ministers up until the late 1980's. For background, Dearing (1880-1940) was one of the founders of the PCI.

The most important part is:

"We so often meet with the question, 'What are you going to do with the many faithful people who have lived for God and yet never experienced
the baptism of the Holy Ghost as in Acts 2:4?' Then we are glad for our text by which we can answer that God can call those things which be not as though they were. If God would count Abraham's faith for righteousness and call him the "father of many" while he was yet childless, is it not just like Him to do that for my old faithful grandmother? Yes, He can and does, thank God! I am not talking about all the professors that died before the outpouring of the Spirit, but I am talking about those who really walked with God. When those precious souls surrendered their lives to the known will of God, they were made happy in the blessing He gave them and the blood gave them a clean slate, a perfect standing before God. Yet we have to admit that their state was far different from that of a Spirit-filled believer of today. Can we not believe that their standing was just as good as ours, that God through their faith would call the things that be not as though they were?

However, if those same people had lived on to see our day of increased
light and had desired to keep their standing, they too would have embraced Acts 2:4 and would soon have been rejoicing in a Spirit-filled
life. Thus their standing would have remained the same, but their state would have been greatly changed." (emphasis in original)
This is also remarkable for the insight that it gives to us in showing how the first generation of Pentecostals looked at themselves. They really felt that something remarkable had taken place in 1900 - something so dramatic that it affected the way in which God would judge man. They were drawing a line through history here. This is an important consideration for those who hold to the "continuous remnant" theory. The first generation of Pentecostals didn't know of any such "remnant" in their time.

Also, note how he states that those who were not Spirit-filled still had a "perfect standing" with God. That first generation was not just troubled about whether their Trinitarian "brethren" would be saved. They were troubled about their own family members, friends and fellow ministers. The severe judgment that is inherent in the "Three-Stepper" way was even more problematic for our spiritual pioneers.

I think that is why the "Three-Stepper" program had to wait a couple of generations before it could become dominant. This may also be the reason so many "Three-Steppers" are such historical revisionists. They desperately want the Anabaptists and Albigensians to be "Oneness Pentecostals" so that they don't have to send everyone to hell."
~ pelathais