Apostolic annointing

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by CC1

The irony is that Oneness people are Oneness and triniarians are Oneness as well. It is a myth that trinitarians believe in 3 gods. There are distinctions in the Oneness and trinitarian views but both believe in one God.

the difference is modalism vs persons.

they call us Jesus only for a reason, they believe we are leaving out 2 of the persons

the repercussion is baptism in the titles vs baptism in the name. IMO this is a significant difference.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Amanah

the difference is modalism vs persons.

they call us Jesus only for a reason, they believe we are leaving out 2 of the persons

the repercussion is baptism in the titles vs baptism in the name. IMO this is a significant difference.

There are indeed massive chasms between the Oneness and Trinitarian views of the Godhead, and yet, there are also places in which the two views are nearly indistinguishable from each other but for the semantics employed by the respective adherents.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

This is apostolic FRIENDS forum, not Apostolics Only forum. The administration has defined apostolic a certain way, but has not used the definition to limit or control membership, or those who are seen as qualified to maintain the peace and keep the board going through moderation of users and threads created.

Your explanation here sounds good for "self-defense", but I would be curious as to Prax weighing in.

And isn't it interesting, that I state that I'm not Oneness, and suddenly you've assumed that I don't believe Jesus name baptism is essential for salvation?

You didn't answer the question. I would also like to know your answer.

Originally Posted by votivesoul

That question has a very long answer!

Suffice it to say that the reason I am not Oneness, or said a better way, do not consider myself Oneness, is because, I am not convinced that the view adequately deals with all the evidence presented in the Bible regarding the nature of God and His Son. I personally think the view is 80%-90% on the nose, but the missing percentages have left me realizing I can't say that I subscribe to the Oneness view of the Godhead, and still be honest and maintain my integrity, as Job's wife might say.

What you have written is terribly problematic. I would think that some would take great umbrage to that. Especially, say, people like Sis. Alvear who has dedicated her very life, more than many, to preach this Gospel message - One God - God manifest in the flesh.

That being said, a more thorough discussion could potentially be had in the Debate Section, if one were so inclined to begin a thread, so that we may keep this one on topic.

And so, we are asked to debate our forum mission statement WITH an Administrator of said forum? Seriously? No, we aren't going to be doing that.

You asked me privately if this changes things. Yes, it changes things a great deal for me.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Amanah

the difference is modalism vs persons.

they call us Jesus only for a reason, they believe we are leaving out 2 of the persons

the repercussion is baptism in the titles vs baptism in the name. IMO this is a significant difference.

You are incorrect in what you believe are the repercussion of the differences in trinitarian and Oneness baptism. There are quite a few trinitarian Spirit filled churches who baptize in Jesus name. The church I am part of now exclusively baptizes in Jesus name (the pastor has a Oneness background) and the previous church I was part of had a pastor with a AOG background who baptized in "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - Jesus Christ" which is also baptizing in Jesus name. I don't know if this stat is still true but when I was attending a UPC Bible College a few decades ago they told us that a survey had showed that around 30% of AOG churches baptized this way.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Amanah

like I said, I received the HG in an AOG church, and sometimes I visit my local AOG church, there is always a sweet presence of the Lord, and the gifts of the spirit are in operation.

God gives us his Spirit to lead and guide us into more truth, he pours out his Spirit on all flesh. I think that truth is Baptism in Jesus name. And if baptism in Jesus name does bring remission of sins, then wouldn't it make sense that there would be a freer and deeper quality of God's presence?

You love your girlfriend, but once you are married there is a deeper relationship and intimacy.

I think there is a witness in the spirit in Jesus name churches.

you can say this is subjective and it is, Christianity is a subjective experience. Statistics are also highly subjective.

I completely agree with you and Esaias. I also received the Holy Ghost in a trinity pentecostal church, but after I was baptized in Jesus name and started going to apostolic churches, I found that when the spirit truly manifest, it was much deeper and stronger than at any of the trinity pentecostal churches.

[2theX]

Yes, my experience is very similar to yours!

Originally Posted by Amanah

My Mom was Catholic, Dad tagged along and slept in church. Dad was in the Army and we lived in Virginia for a while. Mom started going to a prayer meeting and was invited to an AOG church, I went with her. The first time I stepped into a Pentecostal church, having never heard of the Holy Ghost, God filled me with the HG, speaking in tongues.

Fast forward a few years, I’m 15 and we are living in Florida. A young man approaches me in the Mall and shows me Acts 2:38 and asks me to come to the Pentecostal Lighthouse. God refreshes me in the HG and I get baptized in Jesus name by Pastor Joel Velie.

Since that time I’ve attended apostolic churches. But have on occasion visited AOG churches too.

Now, remember I said I received the HG in an AOG church. I’ve seen AOG ministers and churches operate in the gifts of the spirit and felt a sweet presence of God there.

But, I’m convinced there is a depth of power and anointing in a one God Jesus name church that I have yet to experience in an AOG church.

I can feel the difference in the Spirit when worshipping with the people of the name. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

[ApostolicKitty]

In my opinion, I don't believe that a person who is not oneness, should be an administrator on a forum with stated beliefs as this one does... Same as I don't believe a oneness person has any business being part of a trinitarian homeschool group with a trinitarian statement of beliefs.

[houston]

You all are stating that he can not show impartiality.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by CC1

You are incorrect in what you believe are the repercussion of the differences in trinitarian and Oneness baptism. There are quite a few trinitarian Spirit filled churches who baptize in Jesus name. The church I am part of now exclusively baptizes in Jesus name (the pastor has a Oneness background) and the previous church I was part of had a pastor with a AOG background who baptized in "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - Jesus Christ" which is also baptizing in Jesus name. I don't know if this stat is still true but when I was attending a UPC Bible College a few decades ago they told us that a survey had showed that around 30% of AOG churches baptized this way.

Name one trinitarian church that believes you MUST be baptized in Jesus name. The repercussion of a trinitarian theology is an additional aberrant theology concerning baptism. I've met trinitarians that baptized using the name of Jesus but refused to rebaptize anyone previously baptized in the titles...therefore Jesus name was really non consequential to them.

[wire2john]

Oneness teaches that God the Father Himself came, born of a virgin, to die for the sins of the world. Trinitarianism teaches that God the Father sent someone else to die. This is not an insignificant distinction, nor can the two views be reconciled.