Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

deltaguitar · #1 05-22-2009, 10:44 AM

The other three-step thread seems to have more opinions and fighting back and forth about who is preaching false doctrine and who is lying and going to hell or whatever. These threads always seem to always get down to just arguing anyway.

Can we have a thread that openly list the arguments for and against the three-step doctrine? Almost like a summary of sorts. Before each reply list Pro: or Con: and your comments. Sam is always good at listing all the different beliefs but I would like to see scriptures in support of or against.

Lets try to report the facts and let others decide. Kind of fair and balanced.

I will try to start it off and give some arguments that are pro three step doctrine.

deltaguitar · #2 05-22-2009, 10:52 AM

Ok, I am trying to come up with some support for the doctrine.

deltaguitar · #3 05-22-2009, 10:58 AM

I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.

KWSS1976 · #4 05-22-2009, 11:00 AM

Lets start by given definitions for the words,Repentance,Baptised and being fill with the holyghost (with the evidence of tongues)that will be a hard definition to find though...

Sam · #5 05-22-2009, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.

I wouldn't argue with that.

deltaguitar · #6 05-22-2009, 11:05 AM

Three-step doctrine, as I understand it, is the belief that saving faith is not accomplished until Repentance, Water Baptism, and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues and it takes these three steps before the blood can be applied or new birth can take place.

I think a good place to start would be a general overview of the support for the three-step doctrine.

Pro:
Support for this doctrine is found in;

Acts 2:38
38And Peter said to them,(A) "Repent and(B) be baptized every one of you(C) in the name of Jesus Christ(D) for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive(E) the gift of the Holy Spirit.

John 3:5

John 3:3-8 (English Standard Version)
3Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is(A) born(B) again[a] he cannot(C) see the kingdom of God." 4Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?" 5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born(D) of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6(E) That which is born of the flesh is(F) flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[b] 7(G) Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You[c] must be born(H) again.' 8(I) The wind[d] blows(J) where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."

These are the first that come to my mind. If anyone can give more support by posting scriptures please do so.

Sam · #7 05-22-2009, 11:07 AM

from page 1406 of The Spirit Filled Life Bible:

repent, metanoeo (Met-an-ah-eh-o); Strongs # 3340; From meta "after," and noeo "to think." Repentance is a decision that results in a change of mind, which in turn leads to a change of purpose and action.