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05-22-2009, 10:44 AM
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Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
The other three-step thread seems to have more opinions and fighting back and forth about who is preaching false doctrine and who is lying and going to hell or whatever. These threads always seem to always get down to just arguing anyway.
Can we have a thread that openly list the arguments for and against the three-step doctrine? Almost like a summary of sorts. Before each reply list Pro: or Con: and your comments. Sam is always good at listing all the different beliefs but I would like to see scriptures in support of or against.
Lets try to report the facts and let others decide. Kind of fair and balanced.
I will try to start it off and give some arguments that are pro three step doctrine.
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05-22-2009, 10:52 AM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
Ok, I am trying to come up with some support for the doctrine.
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05-22-2009, 10:58 AM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.
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05-22-2009, 11:02 AM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
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I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.
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I wouldn't argue with that.
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05-22-2009, 11:07 AM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
from page 1406 of The Spirit Filled Life Bible:
repent, metanoeo (Met-an-ah-eh-o); Strongs # 3340; From meta "after," and noeo "to think." Repentance is a decision that results in a change of mind, which in turn leads to a change of purpose and action.
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05-22-2009, 11:11 AM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
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I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.
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Originally Posted by Sam
from page 1406 of The Spirit Filled Life Bible:
repent, metanoeo (Met-an-ah-eh-o); Strongs # 3340; From meta "after," and noeo "to think." Repentance is a decision that results in a change of mind, which in turn leads to a change of purpose and action.
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Just adding it to the basic definition. Thanks Sam.
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05-22-2009, 11:08 AM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
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I wouldn't argue with that.
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Just a basic definition that we can all agree on. I hope.
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05-22-2009, 11:09 AM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.
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Indeed. It is an awakening of the inner man, and an acknowledgement of ones need of salvation that can only be provided in the cross.
Furthermore, saving faith produces the desire to be identified with Christ in baptism and a willingness to recieve His Holy Spirit.
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05-22-2009, 11:15 AM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
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Indeed. It is an awakening of the inner man, and an acknowledgement of ones need of salvation that can only be provided in the cross.
Furthermore, saving faith produces the desire to be identified with Christ in baptism and a willingness to recieve His Holy Spirit.
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I agree that most would desire to follow Christ commands but I hesitate to say that 100% of the time a person would recognize that they should be baptized after repentance unless they had some prior knowledge of baptism. I agree that most of the time a true born again believer will follow this path.
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05-22-2009, 01:24 PM
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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.
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If "work" is defined as anything you can do then repentance is a work. If repentance is not a work the the definition of "works" can't be anything you can do
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