Is Acts 2:38 Really Supported by History?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Does it matter if history supports it?

What history?

Who's history?

Isn't the Bible enough?

That's what I have been saying...there has always been a remnant, whether I can prove it in a text book or document or not.

I am convinced of it...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Often the burning of a "heretic's" writings was symbolic and not intended to destroy all evidence of the person's existence. Having the writings of those so condemned proved valuable in countering their claims.

The Vatican Library is a repository of a wealth of "heretical" material though to uncover more than just the standard fare requires credentialing by an accreditted university.

Still it's easier to comb those archives than it would be to get a look at Charles F. Parham's letters to Howard Goss which are kept in the vaults of an different "vatican" in Hazelwood.

I was gonna mention the vatican library, but so far nobody has said they contain Praxeas writing. I can assume, though I might be wrong, that given the prominence of Praxeas (enough for Tertullian to devote writing against him) that he must have written something. Maybe they just did not survive antiquity. However as it was said about the victor, often winning armies attempted to wipe out the culture of the conquored. Rome did this (The Roman Empire). Even muslims did it. They intermarried and forced their religion on others and got rid and out lawed the old. Russia did it to a degree. I WISH the Vatican would open up those archives...has to make you wonder

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I was gonna mention the vatican library, but so far nobody has said they contain Praxeas writing. I can assume, though I might be wrong, that given the prominence of Praxeas (enough for Tertullian to devote writing against him) that he must have written something. Maybe they just did not survive antiquity. However as it was said about the victor, often winning armies attempted to wipe out the culture of the conquored. Rome did this (The Roman Empire). Even muslims did it. They intermarried and forced their religion on others and got rid and out lawed the old. Russia did it to a degree. I WISH the Vatican would open up those archives...has to make you wonder

Ancient manuscripts of the time were written on vellum- calf or sheep skin. Even after curing, the manuscripts made an attractive meal for rats. Tischendorf famously rescued Codex Sinaiticus just before the monks at Saint Catherine's were about to burn it for kindling. There were a lot of things lost without a malicious intent. Ignorance, time, rodents and water have eaten up huge volumes of history.

I would have loved to have been in Baghdad when a lot of the mosques were being attacked. The walls of many of those places are stuffed with old worn out Korans. A lot of light on the development of the Koran and early Arab literature could be gleaned by a discrete and careful soldier.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I won't fall for the fallacy of trying to prove my religion by an unbroken line of "church" adherents to any viewpoint...that truely is the Roman Catholic way of thinking which ironically many Protestants buy into when it comes to the doctrine of the Trinity. When it comes to salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone...they take a detour from that route.

If I am to be Sola Scriptura then I don't see how I can appeal to history (argument of antiquities)

The first secualr college Iwent to in the 1980's I was required to take a class in Western Civilization. One chapter spoke of the birth of the Christian church and the experience on the Day of Pentecost, and then the next chapter spoke of Peter being the first pope of the Catholic church.

As was always my custom in secular college [quite vocal] I raised my hand and asked, "How did Peter go from being the first to preach on the Day of Pentecost to the Pope of the Roman Catholic church?" The professor said we would talk after class. When class was finished he told me that Peter was never Catholic but he had to teach it that way according to policy of the college.



Blessings, Rhoni

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

The first secualr college Iwent to in the 1980's I was required to take a class in Western Civilization. One chapter spoke of the birth of the Christian church and the experience on the Day of Pentecost, and then the next chapter spoke of Peter being the first pope of the Catholic church.

As was always my custom in secular college [quite vocal] I raised my hand and asked, "How did Peter go from being the first to preach on the Day of Pentecost to the Pope of the Roman Catholic church?" The professor said we would talk after class. When class was finished he told me that Peter was never Catholic but he had to teach it that way according to policy of the college.



Blessings, Rhoni

I think that is sad Sis. Rhoni. Was going to joke with you about going to one of those secular schools, but don't know you well enough...... Hope that's ok.


I wonder if they still teach that now.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I think that is sad Sis. Rhoni. Was going to joke with you about going to one of those secular schools, but don't know you well enough...... Hope that's ok.


I wonder if they still teach that now.

You might as well join the bandwagon about my secular education...my skin has toughened up quite a bit since I first began posting about 4-5 years ago

The college was Florida State University and I do doubt they allow that particular chapter taught taught anymore but the history books do record Pentecost long before the governmental church of catholicism was established...they just don't broadcast it.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

You might as well join the bandwagon about my secular education...my skin has toughened up quite a bit since I first began posting about 4-5 years ago

The college was Florida State University and I do doubt they allow that particular chapter taught taught anymore but the history books do record Pentecost long before the governmental church of catholicism was established...they just don't broadcast it.

Blessings, Rhoni

Sometimes it's hard to navigate around here, but I notice you seem to have a sweet spirit. But at least you asked the question where others might have sat quietly.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Sometimes it's hard to navigate around here, but I notice you seem to have a sweet spirit. But at least you asked the question where others might have sat quietly.

Thank-you for the compliment. You have pegged me correctly though...for some reason I just can't shut my mouth about the things I am passionate about. God wired me that way...he does have a sense of humor.

Don't you live close to me? I live in Rowlett.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Ancient manuscripts of the time were written on vellum- calf or sheep skin. Even after curing, the manuscripts made an attractive meal for rats. Tischendorf famously rescued Codex Sinaiticus just before the monks at Saint Catherine's were about to burn it for kindling. There were a lot of things lost without a malicious intent. Ignorance, time, rodents and water have eaten up huge volumes of history.

I would have loved to have been in Baghdad when a lot of the mosques were being attacked. The walls of many of those places are stuffed with old worn out Korans. A lot of light on the development of the Koran and early Arab literature could be gleaned by a discrete and careful soldier.

All true. BTW did you read the news article about an ancient Quran found in a mosque in Dubar or somewhere there that shows evidence of editing? Interesting read and very embarrassing for many muslims

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Thank-you for the compliment. You have pegged me correctly though...for some reason I just can't shut my mouth about the things I am passionate about. God wired me that way...he does have a sense of humor.

Don't you live close to me? I live in Rowlett.

I live in Mineola, a rural town in East TX.