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Does Faith Proceed Regeneration or does Regeneration Proceed Faith ?
Does faith proceed regeneration ? Or does regeneration proceed faith ?
Can unregenerate persons really have a Holy faith in Christ ?
Or do unregenerate persons place faith in Christ to obtain regeneration ?
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09-19-2007, 08:42 PM
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Faith comes first.
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09-19-2007, 09:32 PM
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Does faith proceed regeneration ? Or does regeneration proceed faith ?
Can unregenerate persons really have a Holy faith in Christ ?
Or do unregenerate persons place faith in Christ to obtain regeneration ?
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With questions like this you are not too far from the kingdom....  oloroid
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09-19-2007, 09:46 PM
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Does faith proceed regeneration ? Or does regeneration proceed faith ?
Can unregenerate persons really have a Holy faith in Christ ?
Or do unregenerate persons place faith in Christ to obtain regeneration ?
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How do you define regeneration?
Faith comes first, it is the gift of God.
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09-19-2007, 11:21 PM
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Do all have a measure of faith?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-20-2007, 08:02 AM
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Quote:
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Does faith proceed regeneration ? Or does regeneration proceed faith ?
Can unregenerate persons really have a Holy faith in Christ ?
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Which came first the chicken or the egg? the chicken.
1) faith comes first. Our salvation comes by the grace of God through faith.
2) Faith is not holy. An unregenerate person cannot be regenerated without faith.
3) Unregenerate are not degenerates. Faith and repentance alone do not regenerate a soul. The regeneration comes with the new birth of water and Spirit.
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5
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With questions like this you are not too far from the kingdom.... oloroid |
You what I'm doing don't you ? I'm asking questions that Reformed folks ask ,I thought if would be interesting to ask these sort of questions to Oneness Pentecostals.
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09-20-2007, 10:08 PM
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Does faith proceed regeneration ? Or does regeneration proceed faith ?
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Or do unregenerate persons place faith in Christ to obtain regeneration ?
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Regeneration happens at the birth of the Spirit. Which comes after an expression of faith.
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09-20-2007, 10:28 PM
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Quote:
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Does faith proceed regeneration ? Or does regeneration proceed faith ?
Can unregenerate persons really have a Holy faith in Christ ?
Or do unregenerate persons place faith in Christ to obtain regeneration ?
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The question can be answered like this:
What would be the need for faith, if one was already regenerated?
Unless one would believe that regeneration is the beginning of Faith and faith the beginning of regeneration.
Saving grace "begins" at the "whosoever believeth".
The interesting thing to me is John 3:15...That whosoever believeth in him, "should" not perish but have everlasting life.
The word "should" is defined today to mean: an auxilary word expressing obligation, necessity, anticipation, contingency, or uncertainty.
If you understand the flow of the word "should" you understand that redemption is not guaranteed at believing alone.
So regeneration to me begins at believing and is completed by the death, burial and resurrection experience.
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09-21-2007, 07:18 AM
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Great question. I would say they are simultaneous realities. The miracle of the heart converted is the miracle of the heart born again, i.e., regenerated.
The heart awakened to faith in repentance is the heart which has passed from death unto life (John 5:24). It is the heart which has been granted repentance unto life (Acts 11:18). It is the heart born again (regenerated).
Since the heart turns to Christ in repentance, the heart passes from death unto life in repentance. The heart is quickened to new life and is thus made regenerate at the moment of faith. Repentance is unto faith and thus unto life for he that believeth is passed from death unto life.
He that believeth (in repentance): “hath everlasting life” (John 3:15-16, 36; 6:40,47; 11:26), “is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24; 11:25), “dwelleth in God, and God in him” (1John 3:23-24), “hath the witness [the Spirit] in himself” (1John 5:10), “is born of God” (1John 5:1; John 1:12-13).
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Or do unregenerate persons place faith in Christ to obtain regeneration
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Unregenerate persons inclined toward God in repentance convert to Christ in faith. This conversion is a regenerative act of God.
Again, great question.
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