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Old 12-11-2016, 02:54 AM
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Did Russians Hack the Election?

I believe every government that was capable attempted to hack our election. Most of the hacking was nothing more than standard information gathering. The bigger question is who leaked Hillary's emails?

Some evidence for my position. In previous elections there was news about China hacking the election.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-h...19.html?ref=gs

So with that said, if China hacked before I'm sure they hacked this time as well. I'm sure every major government attempted to hack us including the Russians. Why would they not?

The bigger question is what agenda is being pushed by focusing on only mentioning Russia as election hackers. Is there any reason to believe they leaked the info to WikiLeaks instead of someone else?

I believe we will never know for sure but if we ask the right questions I think we might have a better idea:

1. What countries hacked the U.S. elections?
2. Why is only 1 country being mentioned as hacking the election?
3. If more than one country hacked Clinton's emails then how can we pin releasing her emails on the Russians?
4. Were Trumps emails hacked?
5. Why weren't Trumps emails leaked as well?


Right now the focus is on the bottom 2 questions. The belief is that Trumps emails were also hacked and that they weren't leaked while Hillary's were in order to help Trump or to hurt Hillary.

But the first questions are just as important because it opens up the whole world instead of just the Russians.

Also there is a possibility that it was an amateur hacker who got hillarys emails given her less secure email setup and that that person may not have gotten Trumps. While this is possible it's not the scenario I want to focus on.

What country would have gained the most from a Trump President? We really don't have any idea. No one knows how Trump will handle foreign policy. Even Russia wouldn't have known for sure. In my experience other world leaders hate unpredictability. So I can't imagine most any major nation would have supported Trump. There's a few I can see some reasons for though. Israel, England, Russia. But overall, the possible reasons for these don't seem nearly as compelling as the alternative scenario.

What is the alternative scenario? I can see a great number of countries or individuals that may have wanted to cause harm to Hillary Clinton. In fact, I'm sure I couldn't name half the ones that may. I think this is the more likely scenario and if this is the case and many could bypass her cyber security then I fear we will never know who did it.

Why is Russia being solely named instead of any other country? That is for political reasons. If honesty was being given to us then we would be told Russia and China and Israel and Britain and Iran and North Korea and pretty much everyone hacked Hillary's emails and everything they could.
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Old 12-11-2016, 09:52 AM
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Re: Did Russians Hack the Election?

Another factor to consider, is that Russia had no reason to oppose Hillary. She ignored their push into Ukraine as SoS, she aided them in purchasing 20% of our Uranium rights and she's proven she can be bought (through her pay-to-play scheme via the Clinton Crime Family Foundation).

There's no reason to assume that Russia wanted to get rid of Hillary.
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Old 12-11-2016, 01:26 PM
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Re: Did Russians Hack the Election?

Assange has already made it clear Russia was not his source. But to a Democrat Party and GOP nerds like Graham and McCain bent on creating a false narrative, the truth does not matter.
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Old 12-11-2016, 01:59 PM
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Re: Did Russians Hack the Election?

Instead of worrying about who hacked the e-mail server, we should worry about what those e-mails disclose.
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Old 12-11-2016, 02:05 PM
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Instead of worrying about who hacked the e-mail server, we should worry about what those e-mails disclose.

That is not even being considered.
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Old 12-11-2016, 02:34 PM
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That is not even being considered.
Precisely, Where are all those people worrying about who released the tape conversation of Donald Trump.

How come they completely ignored any questions of who released that tape and only focused on the content of that tape?

This shows the tremendous hypocrisy of the liberal DemonRats.

Who cares who hacked and released the e-mails, I could care less if if was the Russians, the Chinese, anonymous or some pimple head teenager living in his mother basement; what I care about is what is the content of those e-mails.
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Old 12-11-2016, 05:45 PM
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Re: Did Russians Hack the Election?

Sounds like y'all got it all figured out.
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Old 12-11-2016, 06:02 PM
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Re: Did Russians Hack the Election?

There are various IDs, IPs, and methods routinely used by Russian cyber warfare specialists and hackers. Plus we have operatives in Russia. If they say that all agencies involved have a consensus that the Russians are behind this, odds are pretty good that they are right.
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Old 12-11-2016, 06:24 PM
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Re: Did Russians Hack the Election?

The hackers hacked the servers of the DNC and the GOP. They also hacked the servers of various Congressional Democrats and Republicans. Information touched by the hackers focused upon the election, campaign strategies, and conversations about various candidates. Congress was briefed on this in September, but Mitch McConnell choose not to launch any Congressional action. Information leaked specifically benefited the Republican candidate, Donald Trump, in that it came out after Hillary's post debate bounce, and slowly whittled away her post debate gains. No negative information was leaked concerning any Republican candidate. Russian Foreign affairs minister admitted to being in contact with the Trump campaign throughout the race. And this wouldn't have been so bad, except Trump repeatedly denied that anyone in his campaign was communicating with anyone from Russia. It isn't certain if the leaked information truly helped Trump, but statistics show that it is likely, seeing that Trump won by less than 1% of votes cast over four states. Had the hackers not released information that whittled away Hillary's post debate gains, it is conceivable that she would have won.
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Old 12-11-2016, 06:27 PM
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Re: Did Russians Hack the Election?

What most Americans don't really realize is that this is considered an act of cyberwar regardless of who won or lost the election. It's shocking that the intelligence community is racing to get investigations underway before Trump officially takes office. Trump has voiced no interest in investigating the matter and appears to be preparing to silence any investigation on the matter upon taking office. This chill on the investigation is concerning, because most President-Elects would be expected to be outraged and willing to investigate anything that could compromise the security and stability of the United States. Trump's disregard of this issue is suspicious.

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