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L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
"Let Us Break Bread Together"
What Historical Connections Between African Americans and European-American Pentecostals May Offer American Evangelicalism
By L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott
Christ Church Nashville
http://www.christchurchnashville.org//princeton.pdf
I believe this paper was presented at Princeton and then later at Oxford University in England by Pastor L.H. Hardwick
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-05-2008, 01:10 AM
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
The Hardwick and Scott Paper is an excellent, thought provoking read.
Hardwick and Scott were very effective in comparing Presley with Clinton, emphasizing Presley's and Clinton's separate, personal experience with the African American community, in order to demonstrate the bonds of unity between white and black Pentecostals.
However, I believe Hardwick's and Scott's view of race relations in our country are skewed by the subculture of where they reside: central Tennessee.
Places like Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia have racial issues, that are further complicated by the ignorance, joblessness and poverty that permeates this region-- commonly referred to as "Appalachia". The "Deep South" also suffers from the same regional ills, that help to fan the flames of hatred's fire.
Hardwick's and Scott's opinion on the state of racial unity among Americans (and American Evangelical Christians specifically) is negative. However, from where I live "back east", the view reflects an America not as separated by race as much as it is separated by money and financial status.
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08-05-2008, 07:33 AM
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
1399,
To lump all of Tennessee as "Appalachia" and ascribe joblessness and poverty to it is just incorrect.
Tennessee in general has had a lower unemployment rate than the National average in the nine years I have lived here.
Tennessee has a very varied socio economic strata and in Nashville where Pastor's Hardwick and Scott are at the population is educated and the standard of living, etc on par with anyplace else in the USA.
The poor in Appalachia are an extreme minority of the population of both TN and KY and in particular TN.
Your broad brush would be like saying race relations and the socio economic conditions in Harlem represent all of New York City including Manhatten.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-05-2008, 07:40 AM
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
CC1, do you have all your front teeth?
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08-05-2008, 07:45 AM
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
I have met CC1 and all his teeth are there.
Also I saw the message that Bro. Hardwick taught or spoke on. It is very, very good!
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08-05-2008, 07:54 AM
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
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CC1, do you have all your front teeth?
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Our state gun control law in Tennessee is very simple. You are allowed to own as many guns as you have teeth!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-06-2008, 11:16 AM
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
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Originally Posted by CC1
1399,
To lump all of Tennessee as "Appalachia" and ascribe joblessness and poverty to it is just incorrect.
Tennessee in general has had a lower unemployment rate than the National average in the nine years I have lived here.
Tennessee has a very varied socio economic strata and in Nashville where Pastor's Hardwick and Scott are at the population is educated and the standard of living, etc on par with anyplace else in the USA.
The poor in Appalachia are an extreme minority of the population of both TN and KY and in particular TN.
Your broad brush would be like saying race relations and the socio economic conditions in Harlem represent all of New York City including Manhatten.
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My apologies.
Whenever I think of regions, I have "lumped" WV, KY, TN, as "Appalachia", along with parts of VA, OH and PA. Outside of the Nashville area, I have been told that jobs were very hard to find and that joblessness was a real issue, even in the other TN cities, like Memphis, Chattanooga, Johnson City and Knoxville.
One of my former co-workers in DC had a home and his family in eastern TN, while he worked up here. He worked in DC, along with others he knew, because of the lack of jobs in his area. Most of what I know of TN and KY have come from conversations with people from the area-- not my own personal experience, esp KY-- been there once.
I have only visited Nashville, Bristol, Cleveland, Chattanooga, Memphis and other various points not far from interstates 81 and 40. The IMPRESSION I was left with matched my assertion (based off of conversations with the TN folks I have met). But maybe I got the wrong idea.
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08-06-2008, 05:12 PM
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
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Originally Posted by 1399
My apologies.
Whenever I think of regions, I have "lumped" WV, KY, TN, as "Appalachia", along with parts of VA, OH and PA. Outside of the Nashville area, I have been told that jobs were very hard to find and that joblessness was a real issue, even in the other TN cities, like Memphis, Chattanooga, Johnson City and Knoxville.
One of my former co-workers in DC had a home and his family in eastern TN, while he worked up here. He worked in DC, along with others he knew, because of the lack of jobs in his area. Most of what I know of TN and KY have come from conversations with people from the area-- not my own personal experience, esp KY-- been there once.
I have only visited Nashville, Bristol, Cleveland, Chattanooga, Memphis and other various points not far from interstates 81 and 40. The IMPRESSION I was left with matched my assertion (based off of conversations with the TN folks I have met). But maybe I got the wrong idea.
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1399,
Next time you come to Nashville PM me and let me meet you and drive you around a couple of hours. It is a very nice place.
Dan Scott was raised in the hills of Appalachia (I think in VA) and has great stories about it. He uses them as examples of how some people are not happy with their family's circumstances and purpose to do better, get an education, etc.
BTW - There are 15 states that have a higher percentage of the population living below the poverty level than Tennessee.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
The paper doesn't even spell Pastor Mangun's name correctly...not every effective editing...
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08-06-2008, 08:05 PM
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Re: L.H. Hardwick & Dan Scott Paper
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The paper doesn't even spell Pastor Mangun's name correctly...not every effective editing...
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Wow. That is reaching deep.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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