T.D. Jakes, Mr. Obama, and Gay Marriage...
 

In the attached link, you'll read where directly after President Obama announced his feelings regarding gay marriage, that he began doing damage control among those that have been supporters of his in the past within the Black Faith community.

It's been known for some time there are 5 major religious leaders that Obama consults with often, the most prominent of them being Bishop TD Jakes. Many times we've seen them meet, we've been told of their relationship, and the supposed influence that Jakes has on Mr. Obama.

In this article, not only were the 5 brought into conference calls, but others in addition. But in a desire to get comments from those main 5, TD Jakes would not comment on conversations or even his reaction to Obama's new feelings.

So here's my question.... since Jakes is still very influencial within the church world, especially the black church community... do you think that Jakes really needs to comment on Obama's new stance? And what kind of damage will further support for Obama cause for Jakes if it he doesn't denounce the President's new views?

LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/us...ef=todayspaper

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Absolutely, Bishop TD Jakes needs to, at the very least, distance himself from this particular announcement. He may still advise President Obama, but, since he has chosen to be included as part of the "spiritual advisory", he needs to make a concerted effort to publicly state his position on gay marriage. In this instance, silence is agreement.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

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silence may not really be agreement but it is perceived to be agreement.

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please--the guy has already proclaimed
himself a "Bishop;" he'll prolly be granting
indulgences any second now...

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To my knowledge, Bishop Jakes never proclaimed himself a Bishop, but was placed in that office by the organization he was a part of at that time... and since he does over see multiple congregations, and is considered the covering for multiple pastors, ministers, fellowships... that title is an appropriate one for him.

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I don't know his views on same sex marriage. But he was interviewed by Oprah and asked outright if he considers homosexuality as a sin. As was Joel Osteen, also.

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I'll have to admit, I don't remember his response to Oprah... but don't you think it sure dictates him to make some kind of statement publicly again since Obama has come out with this new view and it's widely known that TD Jakes is not only a counsel for him... but also a supporter?

I've been quite disappointed with Bishop Jakes in recent years... and if he does not come out quite publicly with a response regarding President Obama and this recent endorsement of sin, I will no longer listen to one Word he says... or writes.

He's already tried to distance himself from the Oneness Apostolic message of his heritage... but won't distance himself from a homosexual marriage endorsing administration.....

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I have to wonder why people expect an immediate statement from TD Jakes? I have to wonder if he is remaining silent on the subject for effect...waiting on people to notice that he is silent so when he does speak, people will pay attention to what he has to say.

Perhaps he is in prayer to the Lord on how to respond to this matter?

Nevertheless, I am of the opinion that politicians make statements to increase their chances of election, not because they actually have these opinions themselves. Politicians have been using the gay community for the votes, a political football, then reneging on their promises for decades now. Just like the abortion issue.

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Did he call any white, asian, hispanic, pastors? Or doesn't he represent all races?

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Sharp contrast between the celebrity preachers of today and the preachers and prophets of old.

Hebrews 11

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Yes I agree.Surely we don't have to go The Westburg Baptist route but we can in a kind way take a stand on things the scriptures condemn.

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Brother Hutchinson... can you unpack a little what point your trying to make by the two links you posted? Unless you state what your point is, I can only assume, and don't want to assume inappropriately.

At any rate, though Jakes has made statements before that he believes homosexuality is a sin.. he hasn't said a thing since Obama made his declaration... and I think he needs to.

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Yes, if only for accountability's sake.

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Did you read the article? Jakes is considered one of "the Five" which are the top spiritual advisors to the President... and Jakes was one of the ones called into a conference call with the President almost immediately after Barry made his new views known on gay marriage. That level of participation brings about with it a requirement and responsibility to say something.... his lack of communication on the new viewpoint from Mr. Obama leaves room for presumption of agreement with the President.

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I just thought these articles are interesting.I feel Bishop Jakes should make a public statement about the president's declaration.I believe Bishop Jakes is against homosexuality and gay marriage.

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I believe that as well... which then seems to make him contradict himself to a degree if he refuses to make a comment... considering his relationship with Obama.

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A leader of the Assemblies of God organization speaks out about his opinion of same sex marriage:

http://charismanews.com/us/33390-oba...arriage-stance

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doesn't matter what us crackers think ! we da problem !

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I agree.

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:thumbsup:thumbsup

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This is a old clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xL2E10JJE

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Franklin Graham's opinion of same sex marriage

http://charismanews.com/us/33394-fra...en-fist-at-god

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IMHO I don't think these are new views of the president, but that is beside the point.

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If you're in the inner circle, and you like it there, you're not going to put that at risk. Just sayin'.

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Well...I didn't say he had to look it up in the scripture. I said maybe he is in prayer about how to respond.

Oh..I am not taking up for TDJakes. He can handle himself. I would just like to know his motives for not immediately answering.

You see...people like to use words...like Obama twisting the do unto others or the golden rule sort of thing, to wiggle out of a thorny situation. Notice that Biden came out with his opinion first and that had to have forced Obama's hand on this issue?

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:thumbsup

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It may be a dilemma for those who are participating in damage control. ;)

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:highfive

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I think TD Jakes is a nice man. But, I'll follow the word of God to the best of my understanding no matter what Jakes says.

Most of the Gay people that I have met are nice people. But, I still believe that God meant for marriage to be between a man and a woman.

As far as civil unions for the purpose of insurance, property ownership/inheritance, and other legal issues, I don't care if Gays have civil unions; but I don't believe that churches should be forced to marry Gays.

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A living will and power of attorney could replace civil unions and should be legal.

Any property held by more than one person should clearly state ownership and survivor provisions.

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:happydance

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Don't know if anyone will be able to see this attachment or not.

Some times we can see them and some times we can't.

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Wow! I'm actually authorized to see it! :)

It misses the point, IMO. Nobody in their right minds would "know" what God demands of them, and not do it, or "know" God demands that they not do, and do it anyway. Or at least, they would not do so flagrantly and shaking a figurative (or literal) fist at God. OK, I should say very few, rather than "nobody". ;)

But the vast majority of people who unrepentantly* do things you guys think God prohibits are merely disagreeing with you about what God prohibits. (And it's not just atheists! For crying out loud, there's plenty of arguing over these things among Christians, as you all know. ;))

This is something that is so obvious to me that it makes me wonder, sometimes, what the motivation behind things like this cartoon is. OK, actually, I don't really wonder. At least, I have a pretty good idea what the motivation is: it's to make people who disagree with them look like they are actually in conscious rebellion against God, and therefore well deserving of everything they get (hell being the most obvious, but also ridicule, reduced political clout, etc.).

* "Unrepentantly", meaning they don't believe it is wrong, nor that God actually prohibits it, in contrast to those who merely struggle with temptations, and occasionally (or often) lose that struggle.