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Christianity is a Jewish religion
My apologies for the length of this initial post.
Our faith started out Jewish. Today, very little remains of our 1st Century Apostolic Messianic faith. We are Apostolic and our Apostolic patriarchs (Simon The Zealot, Thaddeus, Bartholomew, James of Alpheus, Thomas, Matthew, Phillip, Andrew, James, John, and Peter) and matriarchs (Martha, Mary, Mary Magdalene) were all Jews. They read Jewish Scriptures, the ones which identified the qualifications of Messiah. Their Messiah is a Jew, who lived in a Jewish land among Jewish people immersed in Jewish culture who worshiped a Jewish God. Even the Messiah's Name, Yeshua, is thoroughly Jewish, a name which means Salvation. Yeshua, who many of us know better as Jesus, didn't come to create a new religion. Christianity started out as a sect within greater Judaism. The problem arose when Gentiles came into the fold, and afterwards, Judaism stopped recognizing The Nazarene sect. As Gentile Believers eventually outnumbered Jewish Believers, the sect began to gradually lose its Jewish identity as a result of numerous events. The Nazarene sect, which was also known as Ha-Derek (The Way), would suffer ultimately from a complete divorce from her Jewish roots in Jesus at the hands of Constantine and the Council of Nicea, the very people who would provide the foundation for the infamous doctrine of the trinity. Looking at our Apostolic faith in the 21st Century, most people are amazed to find that they keep more of G-d's Torah than they realize. Granted, many Apostolics won't think twice about scarfing down a ham and cheese sandwich before heading off for Monday night prayer, and while no one should condemn a person for choices in food, at what point do we start considering how our Apostolic Forefathers (and mothers...) would have done things if they walked amongst us? I point this out for one reason: we call ourselves Disciples. Disciples imitate their Master. Jesus kept the Law, and so did His Disciples. If they did it, we should as well. Let me be clear on something: I am not an advocate for taking on the yoke of observing the Judaism practiced today, which is called Rabbinic Judaism. However, I will state that if our Apostolic forefathers observed the Festival of Booths, we should construct a booth (Sukkah in Hebrew) and observe the festival as well, at the appropriate time. If they kept Kosher (while refraining from judging those don't...), then we should. If they removed the leaven from their homes and refrained from eating leaven for seven days, so should we. And while it's perfectly fine to worship on the first day of the week, it still remains that if they observed the Fourth Commandment and kept the Seventh day as Holy, then so should we,... if we're disciples of Yeshua. Observing Torah will not save anyone, just like going to church every Sunday won't save anyone. Observing Torah is a sign of obedience, just like living a Godly lifestyle is a sign of obedience. One of the things which exists in Christianity today is when a Gentile chooses to observe a particular part of the law. The response from most Christians is the same: "Brother (or sister), you've gone back 'under the Law.'" And of course, being under the Law is wrong, right? To be under the Law is not what most people think it is. The common thought is that when a person performs a function of the Law, that person is under the Law. This is a misconception. When a person says, "I don't need the blood of Jesus. I have the Torah, and if I keep the commandments of G-d, my place in the world to come is secure," this person is under the Law. A person who relies on his/her strict obedience to the Law apart from the work Yeshua performed at Calvary is under the Law. To be in a place apart from Yeshua is not a good place to be. For this person it's Torah all the way. Let's contrast this with a person who obeys and keeps Torah, and trusts in the salvific work of Yeshua through His death, burial, and resurrection. This type of person recognizes Salvation to come from Calvary first and foremost, not from Torah, yet this person who remains obedient to G-d's Torah is not under the Law. For this person, Yeshua comes before Torah. Most people who keep Torah will keep it the way its done in 21st Century Rabbinic Judaism. While some of what they do is correct, a Believer who chooses to observe Torah should only keep it in the context of Messiah. Plain and simple, if Yeshua didn't do it, we shouldn't. An example is the ritual of the washing of hands. It's not in the Torah, but it's a big part of Rabbinic Judaism, and since it's not in the Torah, a Torah-observant disciple of Yeshua is not bound to observe this well-meaning but non-essential ritual. Rabbinic Judaism prohibits eating meat with dairy, based on the thrice mentioned prohibition of seething a kid in it's mother's milk. A Torah-observant disciple of Yeshua looks in the Torah and does not find G-d prohibiting mixing meat with dairy. For the Torah-observant disciple of Yeshua, G-d doesn't take issue with eating cheese on a hamburger, but about eating cheese on a ham sandwich. Men hijacked the Church and forced her to be divorced from her Jewish roots, but G-d is restoring the 1st Century Apostolic Church. He began by pouring out His Spirit again in the 20th Century, and now people speak in tongues in the 21 Century like they did in the 1st Century. G-d continued His restoration through the revelation of the Acts 2:38 message. Now that the process of regeneration is known again to the Church, G-d's restorative work continues as the following is taking place as we speak: G-d will reconcile The Church to her Jewish roots. G-d will reconcile The Church to the Jewish people. G-d will reconcile the Jewish people to her Messiah. G-d will reconcile Messiah to the world. When these reconciliations come to fullness, two biblical prophecies will come to pass:
The Apostolic sect of Christianity has been part of G-d's restoration so far. What every Christian should know is this: according to the prophet Zachariah, everyone will observe Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. Everyone, and that includes Bubba the Bible Thumper who says, "I'm not under the Law. I'm under Grace." I love Bubba and I believe that one day, Bubba will see that Grace and Law are not in opposition to each other. Yeshua kept the Torah and showed His disciples how to keep Torah. Among the things He taught His disciples, two of them were: be great in the Kingdom by keeping Torah and teach others to do the same. Paul kept Torah, right up to the day his head was removed. As Paul exhorts us to imitate him as He imitates Messiah, I exhort my Apostolic family to take a fresh look at the Bible that Yeshua and His Disciples read: the Torah. And thanks for reading! |
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Sabellius and I are having a discussion in another thread and, rather than hijack the thread, I asked to take it to this thread.
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The Torah says that the one who is not the Messiah will be one who teaches people to abandon Torah. We say Jesus violated the Sabbath laws and ended the Law at the Cross, and it's no wonder that the Jewish people say, "No thank you." Jesus did not violate any of the Torah, or it would have disqualified Him as Messiah. He specifically said that He came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it. Furthermore, the Church makes the critical error of telling Jewish Believers that they don't have to be Jewish anymore, because being Jewish or being non-Jewish means nothing, only keeping the Commandments of G-d. To tell a Jew that becoming a Christian means losing your Jewish identity is wrong on so many levels. This is a connection between Joseph and Jesus. The sons of Jacob who came to Egypt for grain and saw Joseph for the first time as Prince of Egypt did not recognize him until he 'revealed' himself to them. Israel doesn't accept Yeshua as their brother because they don't recognize Him, and they'll never recognize Him as long as the Church presents Him the way we do. The Church has de-Judaized Jesus and has made Him out to be a Messiah for everyone, and though He certainly is, Jesus came to be the Messiah to the Jewish people first, the people who are His brothers and sisters. If Jewish people are going to come to Jesus, their perception of Him needs to change, and it's up to us to make that happen. |
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Neubill, just got online and saw this link. Thanks for posting this. I will try to respond better later. I have very little free time right now though. I think we will agree more than not though. Shalom!
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THEY were Jewish...those people, but the church was NOT Jewish. Please read Paul's Epistles to the Gentile church and Acts 15
Jewish people have jewish roots. The Christian Church is not Judaism. |
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In reality the word "apostolic" mainly refers to the apostolic ministry of the original twelve apostles. This reference is not so much a reference of their doctrine, but the anointing that they operated in...that of an Apostle. One may believe in the apostolic ministry or the apostolic age, but that does not make them apostolic it just makes them a believer. Since probably only about 5% of the Body of Christ would qualify as legitimately being called into the gifting or anointing of an Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, or teacher then they are not truly "apostolic" even if they adhere to the doctrine of the Apostles. If, being "apostolic" only refers to the doctrine of the Apostles then every mainstream denomination would be apostolic as they all claim to believe the teachings of the New Testament. |
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The Church WAS Jewish in foundation, but not exclusive to Jews. The Gospel spread to the half-Jews and then to the non-Jews, culminating with Acts 15 which convened for the purpose of determining if Gentiles needed to become Jews according to Rabbinic (not Torah) tradition. The answer was not made by a consensus of Jews and Gentiles, but Jews only, who were the leaders of a sect of Judaism. Though the Jerusalem Council determined conversion as unnecessary, going to the synagogue and learning Torah on Shabbat was still part of the early Church, as they were encouraged to do so in verse 21. After the Church grew with the addition of Gentiles, Judaism began to be choked out of the Body of Messiah. I'll reiterate: Quote:
Christianity WAS Messianic Judaism. It was, and it will be again as the Torah will be written on every heart. Little by little, like it or not, the Body of Messiah is returning again to her foundation: the Scriptures Jesus and His Disciples read, which is the Torah. Christianity started out as, and was always meant to be, a Jewish religion. I'm looking forward to observing the Festival of Tabernacles with you and watching you love every minute of it as you rejoice before The LORD your G-d as prescribed by G-d's Holy Torah. Thanks for your response! |
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judaism is a religion centered around temple worship, a priesthood and animal sacrifices, the jewish believers (The bible speaks of jewish and gentile believers) practiced judaism;. gentile believers did not, they were not jews. jews practiced it because they were already jews and not because they were now christians. you don;t have to convert to judaism in order to be christian |
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Todays teachers of Moses law always fall back to this. They say when Paul speaks about not being under the law he was talking about what they call "the oral law". Therefore its not possible to come to the same conclusion because we do not have the same reference point.
Here was the source of the problem as it still is today. 5: But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15:5 So they wanted Gentile believers to a. Be circumcised b. Keep the LAW OF MOSES That is the law given by YAH to Moses to give to the children of Israel when they came out of Egypt. The council decreed: 22: Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23: And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26: Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27: We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:22-29 It would have been a great time to tell them yes keep the law of Moses. But no. Rather Peter said: 10: Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Acts 15:10 |
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One of the first things G-d did was given the Decalogue at Sinai, and the majority of the other commandments come back to these ten. If Judaism is centered around temple worship, a priesthood, and animal sacrifices, then the religion would have died, yet it's still around in the absence of a temple, priesthood, and animal sacrifices for more than 1900 years. The heart of Judaism is Torah, not the temple service. Quote:
Council of Nicea: Have nothing to do this the Jews. Council of Antioch: Passover observance is prohibited. Council of Laodicea: Sabbath observance is prohibited. All of these were in the 4th Century(!), so why would governing bodies pass edicts like these if people weren't observing Torah? Because they were keeping Torah just like their Messiah did, every jot and tittle of it. Quote:
I do recall writing that Christianity was a form of Judaism, an existing sect within greater Judaism until Gentiles overwhelmed the Body of Messiah and men took the Jewish heart out of the Church. Christianity started out as a Jewish religion, one which involved keeping Torah. I'm enjoying our discussion, friend. :) |
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Is your view of the issue as being the insistence of the Pharisee Believers (who Paul calls false brethren in Galatians) for Gentiles to officially convert through the established "Oral Law" method, as well as take on the yoke of obeying every jot and tittle of the Torah? It is my view that the only issue at hand is formal entry through Pharisaical conversion, based on verse 1. No conversion ceremony exists in the five books of Torah for a Gentile to convert and become an Israelite. A conversion ceremony does exist in the Oral Law, dating all the way back to Pharisaical times. The ceremony is: Korban (Sacrifice) {Today, this is replaced with Tzedakah (charity)} B'rit Milah (Circumcision) Mikvah (Immersion [baptism]) I greatly appreciate your contribution to this thread as well as you sharpening my iron. I hope I am reciprocating. :) |
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But the truth is that the APOSTLE PETER would have recognized the difference between the law of Moses and the traditions of men just like Yeshua did. . The Pharisees were demanding circumcision to be saved. Then they ALSO were wanting to make the Gentile believers keep the law of Moses. When Peter said what he did about a yoke of bondage he was not insinuating that ALL OF THE APOSTLES ANS ELDERS and everyone else at the council as well as all their Fathers had been doing nothing except keeping (or trying to keep) the traditions of men. |
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"Hey!" to you, Michael!
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The thing is, in the Jewish community then (and today...), one was not following Torah if it was not followed the way the Torah teachers followed it. Back then, the Torah teachers were the Pharisees, and if you didn't do it their way, according to the Traditions of The Fathers, you weren't obeying Torah. So, Peter actually was insinuating that all of the apostles and elders and everyone else at the council as well as all their Fathers had been doing nothing except keeping (or trying to keep) Torah according to the traditions of men. Back then, keeping the Law of Moses meant the Torah and The Traditions. Shalom shalom, Mikel Ha-Talmid! I look forward to searching out the Scriptures with you sometime! |
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I believe we are spiritual jews not converted gentiles once we recieve Christ...or course many differ and I do not think it to be something that I would fuss about just my personal belief...I don´t even know how my husband believes on that subject...
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Reg. the difference between Judaism and Christianity:
(le-havdil), A analysis (found here: www.netzarim.co.il (that is the only legitimate Netzarim)) of all extant source documents and archaeology using a rational and logical methodology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical. The mitzwot (directives or military-style orders) in Torah (claimed in Tan’’kh (the Jewish Bible) to be the instructions of the Creator), the core of the Judaism, are an indivisible whole. Rejecting any one constitutes rejecting of the whole… and the Church rejected many mitzwot, for example rejecting to observe the Shabat on the seventh day in the Jewish week. Examples are endless. Devarim (“Deuteronomy”) 13.1-6 explicitly precludes the Christian “NT”. Devarim 13:1-6 forbids the addition of mitzwot and subtraction of mitzwot from Torah. Ribi Yehoshuas talmidim Netzarim still observes Torah non-selectively to their utmost today and the research in the previous mentioned Netzarim-website implies that becoming one of Ribi Yehoshuas Netzarim-followers is the only way to follow him. |
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I disagree with the statement that Christianity is a Jewish Religon.
Our roots are not Hebrew. Our roots are in One Hebrew. Colossians 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all. |
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I agree, Christianity as we know it today is deeply engrained with Catholicism. Even in the Oneness movement we see strong evidence of what happened at the Counsel of Nicaea.
I don't want to stray too far from your initial point, but I do have a sincere question for you. I sense you are very fervent in your Jewish heritage, which in my opinion can be detriment to overall truth and honest opinion. Our fanaticism can turn our hearts into a dark chasm, filled with ideals that are "Out of sight, out of mind", crushing all who get in our way. My question is this; Was it God's will for Saul to massacre (genocide) the city of Amalek? |
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I disagree. True Bible Believing Christianity according to what the Apostles were taught by Jesus is far from Catholicism. Judaism the religion of today is far from what the Old Testament Saints did.
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Have you studied the events of how New Testament Scripture came about? Don't get me wrong, there are differences, but we weigh in heavily with much that we do and practice, and basic structures of the Catholic Faith are with us whether we like it or not. We are simply rebel offshoots, otherwise we would simply disban every traditional ideal they've passed down. Just curious, do believe Catholics are lost? (Sorry for all the questions. Just trying to provoke thought.) :) |
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"For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Rom. 2:28-29) “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:” (Rom 3:20-22) "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:" (Rom. 7:22) “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit”. (Rom 8:3-4) "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Rom 8:14) "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." (Rom 10:4) “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” (Gal 2:16) “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” (Gal 2:21) “Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal 3:21-29) “For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;” (Eph 2:14-15) “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;” (Col 2:14) “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.” (Heb 7:18-19) “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.” (Heb 10:1) |
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believe in the form of government and political systems that are ruling current mainstream churches. We have some very good books coming out one about Which Bible? Yes I know where the KJV and New Testament scriptures come from and yes I am an avid student of the original languages. No we don't celebrate Pentecost as a feast day. No we are not traditional off shoots. We don't like the "Big Pulpit" mentality. The true Apostolic church is not a Catholic offshoot. Do I believe in an eternal hell? No I believe all eternity will be the Lake of Fire. I was Catholic and while I did observe that religon...yes I was lost. |
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A little confused about your Hell idea. I am also from the Catholic Faith. I have many relatives and friends in the Catholic Church. My grandparents were married for over 50 years. My grandfather taught me to fish, camp, and he spent untold quality hours with me as a little boy. I sat at their table more times than I can count, watching my grandpa eat the homemade soup my grandmother made every day. They went through the great depression and were very special people. My grandfather was chief of police in 2 large cities, and served as a California Highway patrolman. Every Sunday, they would dress nice and take my sister and I to church when we stayed with them. They've both passed on, and my memories of them is beyond good. My grandma and grandpa held me close when my parents went through their divorce, and without them, I'm not sure where I'd be today. Are they lost in Hell? If you believe they are, why would they deserve that? Do you believe all Catholics are lost? |
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The doctrine of salvation as taught by the Catholic Church is not how the early believers were saved. Whether your family made it to heaven is not my decision but I am to be sure about the one I make.
ask yourself this Is their plan of salvation fullfilling these scriptures? John 3:5 Jesus told Nicodemus that to enter into the Kingdom a man must be born again of water and the Spirit. Mark 16: 16,17 says all believers will speak in tongues. Acts 10:48 He commanded them to be baptized in the Name of the Lord Acts 19:5 They were baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Acts 22:16 Now why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away your sins calling on the name of the Lord. 1 Peter 3:20,21 Baptism doth also now save us. Comparing these scripture to what I was taught about the Sacraments allowed me to see that I had been taught something that was not Biblical. Have a great day! |
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Is the lack of understanding or ignorance regarding Scripture forgivable? I see very clearly in these years of my life that people(s) will always struggle to understand, and that defining the saved/lost issue has no "Cut and Dry" answer when we attach a step process that involves works. I used to feel over 30 years ago, that my grandparents were lost and deceived by false doctrine. Today, I have completely banished this dogma, as the current failure I see within our own ranks has humbled my heart. Our Religion is falling into the same mold as all of the others, and the only people who disagree with this fact must consider, are they being choked by denial or Tradition? Money, politics, brotherly strife, circus style worship, supposable speaking in tongues, the "God told me" rhetoric, and the bold claims that God is on our side is leading many away from our once flourishing Movement. And to me, the answer is clear as to why; We need more mercy and love and less defiled Religion. |
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17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So are you also not saved if you haven't cast out devils, taken up a serpent, drank poison, or laid hands on a sick person and seen them recover? |
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The move in recent years has indeed been to portray Paul as a false apostle. I have encountered it various times.
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The original text says if you take up serpents or drink any deadly thing.
It does not say you have to. Believers however do speak in tongues. It it weren't so important then the Apostle Paul would not have gone back to groups of people who needed the experience. The other things such as laying hands on the sick and they shall recover and casting out devils should be a normal part of life for a Christian. |
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I agree from my recent studies in the past years I too have come to undestand that salvation comes from faith in God and a close relationship with God. Not all the perifrials religion puts on today. |
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Through indepth study in the last while, my opinion is that the Church in God's eyes is ISRAEL who passed from Mosaic covenant into the NEW covenant. (Jer. 31:31). And Gentiles were simply allowed in on it for the first time without having to become Jews through circumcision.
So ISRAEL has opened up to include the gentiles in the church now. This system of thought is generally called COVENANT THEOLOGY. Eph 2 through 3 make it abundantly clear that the CHURCH is actually the CONGREGATION OF ISRAEL opened up to include Gentiles and is become more spiritual through new birth. |
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So then what parts of Jewish celibrations are the Gentile to celibrate if we are brought in to the family of Abraham by adoption then we take on the Abrahamic likeness. As I see it we con't throw away the things that pertain to use but imbrace them. It seemes to me that we throw out all the rest of the things that pertain to the law when we threw out all the thou shalt nots. |
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You see, as I understand it, the Old Testament Jewish elements are all shadows and we enjoy the body and not the mere shadow. I see nothing wrong in maybe doing a feast and its rituals so long as we do not think we HAVE TO. The "HAVE TO" part is wrong. First is the natural, including the natural version of the feasts and rites, and second is that which is spiritual, the reality of what those things foreshadowed. So the REAL celebration is simply the spiritual realities that all those OT types and shadows pointed to. |
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