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Re: Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 816667)

The same person who was discussing this on the other thread (not the originator of this thread) also says that 1 Cor 11 has nothing to do with headship, therefore all women are subject to all men.

No, don't tell him he's wrong. He's arrived, and he's right.

I challenged him to post a poll. He said I was silly for suggesting such a thing.

Chicken. LOL!

You mean, I can't order you around the same way my wife orders me, errrr, I order her?

Well, there goes my idea of starting a polygamist sect........

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 817965)

You mean, I can't order you around the same way my wife orders me, errrr, I order her?

Well, there goes my idea of starting a polygamist sect........

Well, you saw his response...

Re: Finally something we can agree on.............

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Originally Posted by rdp (Post 817942)

Agree, "people refuse to see what is right before their eyes." "....N-O-T with gold, or pearls, or costly array." [I Tim. 2:9].

Do you know what the term "not" means?

You forgot braiding of the hair!!! Oh wait is it ok for a woman to put her hair up in fancy hair doos?

But wait you need to check the meaning of the word "not" again. this particular word does not mean "not ever" it means that those things should not be the how a women is to show holiness. It does not mean she cannot wear it. I don't say this for you though I am not trying to change your mind or any other persons mind. But just getting the children of God to quit taking everything said as the word of God but to seek out their own salvation with fear and tembling.
Some times you have to read deeper than the first word of a definition.

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 818383)

I think you forgot that he's right and everyone else is wrong.

And he doesn't care what I think because he believes he's an authority over me since he's a man and I'm a woman (he uses 1 Cor 11 to prove this). I'm puzzled as to why he ever started discussing it with me in the first place!!:ursofunny

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Heavenly one

See I know where he is comming from. I was just like that 20+ years ago. I add the plus because time gets away form me. LOL You see God brought me to a stopping place where I had to take another look at things. I beleive God does this with everyone at several points in our lives. Whether we slow down enough to get what God is showing us is the question. The point is, God got my attention and I got into the word. Understand I was not trying to prove anything was wrong, I wanted to prove to myself what I preached was right. I had to conced I was wrong. I still did not change the things I preach for many years but I did change the way I preached them. So I have learned from God not to be confrontational but to put the scripture out there and let God do the work.

Some times it may take some time.

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The verse says broidered...not braided. They are not the same thing.

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If you're going to ignore the intended meaning, and just go with what is literally said, then this verse forbids clothing:

1 Peter 3:3 (King James Version)

3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

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Broided in greek is plegma which signifies what is woven,in the case of hair it is of a web,plait,braid.In the vulgate 1 TIM.2:9 signifies ringlets or curls.

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Genesis 35:

1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.

2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:

3 And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

5 And they journeyed: and the terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob.

Along with the command to be clean, Jacob required his household to change their manner of dress.

Along with the command to surrender idols, Jacob required his household to give up their earring ornamentation.

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Exodus 32:

1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.

3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.

4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

The Israelites have just exited from centuries of slavery in pagan Egypt.

They have not yet received the formal, corrective instruction of the law.

Their widespread wearing of earrings provides insight into the popular ornamentation that was the accepted norm in Egypt.

As Moses decends from mount Sinai with the law of God, the people combine their earrings to conjure up yet another false god.

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Exodus 33:

1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Depart, and go up hence, thou and the people which thou hast brought up out of the land of Egypt, unto the land which I sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, Unto thy seed will I give it: 2 And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:

3 Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.

4 And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments.

5 For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

6 And the children of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments by the mount Horeb.

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Judges 8:

23 And Gideon said unto them, I will not rule over you, neither shall my son rule over you: the LORD shall rule over you.

24 And Gideon said unto them, I would desire a request of you, that ye would give me every man the earrings of his prey. (For they had golden earrings, because they were Ishmaelites.)

25 And they answered, We will willingly give them. And they spread a garment, and did cast therein every man the earrings of his prey.

26 And the weight of the golden earrings that he requested was a thousand and seven hundred shekels of gold; beside ornaments, and collars, and purple raiment that was on the kings of Midian, and beside the chains that were about their camels' necks.

27 And Gideon made an ephod thereof, and put it in his city, even in Ophrah: and all Israel went thither a whoring after it: which thing became a snare unto Gideon, and to his house.

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Isaiah 3:

16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

17 Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.

18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,

19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,

20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,

21 The rings, and nose jewels,

22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,

23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

Tire: archaic : to adorn (the hair) with an ornament" (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 2003)

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Ezekiel 7:

18 They shall also gird themselves with sackcloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads.

19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

20 As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty: but they made the images of their abominations and of their detestable things therein: therefore have I set it far from them.

The "beauty of his ornament" refers to the natural beauty given to us by our creator.

The people have covered this "majesty" with detestable and abominable ornamentation.

These ornaments are both a symptom and a symbol of their prideful apostasy.

Continued do to length, sorry. -->

Re: Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

What 1 Tim.2:9 and 1 Peter 3:3 are really saying is that a woman's true beauty does not come from external adornment but what really makes her beautiful is her gentle and quiet spirit.
These verse are not prohibitions agains't wearing of gold or fine clothes or elaborate hairstyles on women as such,but these verses are saying that is not where a person's true beauty lies.

I feel though alot of people go overboard on the jewelry deal,but aren't alot of clothes worn to a general conference costly array ?

What about the dos the sisters wear in their hair ?
What many of these dos be considered plaited or broided ?
I believe holiness will manifest itself in modesty,and women should look like women and men should look like men,but we must read these verses in proper context.

Also according to what I read in 1 Peter 3:3 a unbelieving husband could be won to God through a believing wife because of her purity and reverence by having a gentle spirit.

If a women has hair touching the ground,and a dress that hits the floor and she is bossified,is she adorned with a meek and gentle spirit ?