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crakjak 10-08-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 971199)
You can't walk into this church. It is not open to you unless you are a member. They have "guards" at the entrance to the property and in the foyer of the building they meet at. Sound like a cult yet? Funny thing is, the community thinks they are sweet wonderful people, because they are. The public only knows how sweet they are, they don't know what actually goes on.

Sounds like Heritage Homestead, or maybe Sherman?

*AQuietPlace* 10-08-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 971592)
Sounds like Heritage Homestead, or maybe Sherman?

What's Sherman?

missourimary 10-08-2010 08:42 PM

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http://www2.psy.unsw.edu.au/Users/rr...ain%20ride.pdf
Another good article on the affects of ostracism, as compared to aggression and acceptance. It doesn't offer outright ways to deal with it, but a person might get some ideas on how to handle their own situation from it.

The first three pages are very revealing. The charts throughout the paper also have some very good information.

When people shun me, I write and talk and imagine. I imagine arguing with them and telling them off, even if I couldn't in person. I talk to others about the problem, and I write about the problem, coming to some sort of resolution at some point of either what I could do differently in the future or an understanding of what I did right. I also tend to focus on what the other person might think or feel and how my actions might impact their behavior. I didn't realize how much control that gave me until reading that paper.

One thing I've noticed... It's the ones that I smile and wave at that ignore me and act like I don't exist. When I don't notice someone, they are more likely to say hello... especially if they get the impression that I'm ignoring them. I'm not good at ignoring people, and don't recommend it, but the more your friend gets out, gets involved with other people, and enjoys him/herself, the less the shunning will affect him/her, and the less the person will probably actually be ignored.

SeekingOne 10-08-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 971667)
http://www2.psy.unsw.edu.au/Users/rr...ain%20ride.pdf
Another good article on the affects of ostracism, as compared to aggression and acceptance. It doesn't offer outright ways to deal with it, but a person might get some ideas on how to handle their own situation from it.

...the more your friend gets out, gets involved with other people, and enjoys him/herself, the less the shunning will affect him/her, and the less the person will probably actually be ignored.

Being shunned isn't so painful to those that leave Homestead, it would be more like running into your favorite blood relative and not being able to go up to them, hug them and things like that. You are reminded that you can't ever go to their house again, share holidays and special occasions, have them over for dinner, and share the love you have for each other ever again.

They feel pain too, they are just doing as they are told, and some don't shun but it doesn't ease the pain. It is easier on them though, because they still have the 100's of relatives that they can be with, they only lost a few people, and they believe that you will return if they treat you the way they are taught. They have hope, you have none.

missourimary 10-08-2010 11:11 PM

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I've heard of Homestead and can only imagine.

No article or book is going to give your friend the exact answers that s/he needs. Every situation is different. On top of that, every person has a little different ways of learning and dealing with situations.

But for the last sentence, they have a kind of hope, but those who leave can have hope too. It's a different kind of hope, but it is hope.

I wish you and your friend the best.

SteppingStone 10-09-2010 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 971199)
You can't walk into this church. It is not open to you unless you are a member. They have "guards" at the entrance to the property and in the foyer of the building they meet at. Sound like a cult yet? Funny thing is, the community thinks they are sweet wonderful people, because they are. The public only knows how sweet they are, they don't know what actually goes on.


It sounds like they need a visit from Broken Pulpit Ministries. Where is this hell hole?:angry1

crakjak 10-09-2010 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 971614)
What's Sherman?

Texas

crakjak 10-09-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 971679)
Being shunned isn't so painful to those that leave Homestead, it would be more like running into your favorite blood relative and not being able to go up to them, hug them and things like that. You are reminded that you can't ever go to their house again, share holidays and special occasions, have them over for dinner, and share the love you have for each other ever again.

They feel pain too, they are just doing as they are told, and some don't shun but it doesn't ease the pain. It is easier on them though, because they still have the 100's of relatives that they can be with, they only lost a few people, and they believe that you will return if they treat you the way they are taught. They have hope, you have none.

There is a family in our church that escaped from Homestead, they are doing wonderfully. They seemed to be so free, and very in love with the Lord.

SeekingOne 10-09-2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 971715)
There is a family in our church that escaped from Homestead, they are doing wonderfully. They seemed to be so free, and very in love with the Lord.

Did the wife finally come to her senses? Did Homestead Heritage finally just tell her that she would have to leave her husband if she wanted to continue to go to Friday night meetings?

Also, they don't live in Waco, so they are free from daily reminders - running into everyone at every turn every day. They also do not have family members still there that they are not allowed to see and talk to.

*AQuietPlace* 10-09-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 971714)
Texas

Yes, I knew it was in Texas.... but is it a set-up like Homestead?

Praxeas 10-09-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 971721)
Did the wife finally come to her senses? Did Homestead Heritage finally just tell her that she would have to leave her husband if she wanted to continue to go to Friday night meetings?

Also, they don't live in Waco, so they are free from daily reminders - running into everyone at every turn every day. They also do not have family members still there that they are not allowed to see and talk to.

JWs do the same thing. For me running into them around town would not bother me. In fact that would be an opportunity to show them what the love of Christ is really about.

However the husband/wife situation is bad and unbiblical

crakjak 10-09-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 971721)
Did the wife finally come to her senses? Did Homestead Heritage finally just tell her that she would have to leave her husband if she wanted to continue to go to Friday night meetings?

Also, they don't live in Waco, so they are free from daily reminders - running into everyone at every turn every day. They also do not have family members still there that they are not allowed to see and talk to.

Don't know how it transpired, but she seems to be very happy now, the girls also seem to be fitting in, though the still dress very conservative, uncut hair and all.

crakjak 10-09-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 971731)
Yes, I knew it was in Texas.... but is it a set-up like Homestead?

No, a UPC church that went off the deep end, then were disfellowshipped, I believe. http://www.faithchurch.us/

SeekingOne 10-30-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 971134)
I would suggest reading the Bible but in a newer translation/version.
The Living Bible is an older version but I personally still consider it a good one.
I just like the way Ken Taylor expresses some stuff.
The New Living Translation is good.

I'm not really KJV only but I basically judge everything by the KJV.
I like the NKJV because it is so much like the KJV but without some of the archaic terms.

The reason I would recommend a newer translation is because when reading the KJV the person would just hear some of the old condemnation and guilt trips echoed in the wording of the KJV.

This helped a LOT! Thanks for the suggestion. I am reading from an unusual translation too. I helps to not hear the verses quoted so often that pushed their agenda when we read.

It is hard to explain unless you have been there. It's like, some come to this forum and argue what different Bible verses mean, right? Well in a cult they use the Bible too. And just like people here, they have their own interpretation of scriptures. THAT is why when we get out we don't know truth from a lie. Some scriptures are not left for interpretation, like "do not commit adultery" but so many other doctrinal scriptures are interpretive. And boy can they be twisted this way and that.

So when you get a church that believes they are Jesus in the flesh and that they have a special light that others haven't received yet, using scripture to back up what they believe, it is dangerous. I am telling you, they use scripture so well that lawyers, doctors, college professors are sucked in.

Anyway, to be able to sit and read without "hearing" what we have been told it means helps a lot. Thanks

sandie 10-30-2010 08:07 PM

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I just read this thread.

How sad.

My former pastor retired, the new pastor was installed and this new pastor promptly told the members that they were no longer to have any contact with the former pastor. They couldn't call him to wish him a happy birthday, anniversary, say hi how are you doing?
The new pastor also told the retiring pastor he and his wife could no longer have any contact with the former members either.
In effect they booted the pastor and his wife from the church.
What a crushing blow that was and still is to this wonderful man of God and his wife.
I told the retiring pastor the new pastor must have a spiritual death wish.

What's wrong with some people????


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