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navygoat1998 06-14-2014 03:53 PM

Re: Jesus....Not God?
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1318758)
I would assert that ALL real Oneness assert Father, Son and Spirit are distinct. The issue between Trinity and Oneness is HOW.

Oneness says they are distinct manifestations or modes

Trinity says Distinct Persons

semantics?

Pressing-On 06-14-2014 03:58 PM

Re: Jesus....Not God?
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1318758)
I would assert that ALL real Oneness assert Father, Son and Spirit are distinct. The issue between Trinity and Oneness is HOW.

Oneness says they are distinct manifestations or modes

Trinity says Distinct Persons

That's when it can't ever make sense or be correct.

navygoat1998 06-14-2014 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1318762)
That's when it can't ever make sense or be correct.

And some in both camps are willing to condemn other believers in Christ to hell and that's when it can't ever make sense or be correct.

Praxeas 06-14-2014 05:23 PM

Re: Jesus....Not God?
 
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1318761)
semantics?

No.

In Oneness there is one doer of every personal action. HOW he does it, ie as a human vs as God, is different

Abiding Now 06-14-2014 07:33 PM

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God/Father = Eternal Spirit

Son = Fleshly body that which was conceived by the Spirit, born of Mary and manifested the Eternal God to humanity. A tabernacle for the invisible eternal God to dwell in.

Holy Ghost = the Spirit of God in the Church

shazeep 06-14-2014 07:42 PM

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They All seem pretty evident to me...

jfrog 06-14-2014 09:13 PM

Re: Jesus....Not God?
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1318758)
I would assert that ALL real Oneness assert Father, Son and Spirit are distinct. The issue between Trinity and Oneness is HOW.

Oneness says they are distinct manifestations or modes

Trinity says Distinct Persons

Prax I have a serious question about your oneness. I'm not going to get into a long discussion on this but I want some clarification on a few things.

What do you define a person as? Isn't it as the doer of an action?

In the sentence Jesus the son of god prayed... Isn't it Jesus, the son of god, that is doing the act of praying? Context would seem to dictate that Jesus the son of god is doing the action of prayer.

Doesn't that seem to imply that Jesus the son of god is a person. on top of that isnt he a distinct person from god the father since he performs different actions than god the father performs?

Praxeas 06-15-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1318840)
Prax I have a serious question about your oneness. I'm not going to get into a long discussion on this but I want some clarification on a few things.

What do you define a person as? Isn't it as the doer of an action?

Ok

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In the sentence Jesus the son of god prayed... Isn't it Jesus, the son of god, that is doing the act of praying?
Yes

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Context would seem to dictate that Jesus the son of god is doing the action of prayer.
Ok

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Doesn't that seem to imply that Jesus the son of god is a person. on top of that isnt he a distinct person from god the father since he performs different actions than god the father performs?
Yes He is a person. No He is not a distinct Person

How does all that make me not Oneness? Im confused. You are questioning my Oneness?

He is the Same Person performing both distinct actions of Father and Son. That's what I said before. Same DOER of the actions as the Father and as the Son

shazeep 06-15-2014 06:13 PM

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um, "questioning my oneness?" :lol

jfrog 06-15-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1318920)
Ok


Yes


Ok


Yes He is a person. No He is not a distinct Person

How does all that make me not Oneness? Im confused. You are questioning my Oneness?

He is the Same Person performing both distinct actions of Father and Son. That's what I said before. Same DOER of the actions as the Father and as the Son

Let me ask you this way: how do you know the father and Jesus are the same doer of actions?

I understand they can be. I understand its possible for them to be. How do you know they actually are the same person, or doer of actions?


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