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Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 1051947)

In another thread, OneFaith2 said that there's salvation from sin and salvation from hell. I call it the, "Doctrine of Multiple Salvations."

Then you must beleive in OSAS.

Because if you are saved from hell when you are saved from sin, you can never lose your salvation. salvation from hell is the finality. If you cannot accept that then you need to reread Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10. Baptist doctrines are full of once you believe, you are saved and you can never be lost again.

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 1051944)

Ok fine, you're gonna throw in the "Holy Ghost Baptism", what else would you like to throw in?

I didn't throw anything in. Peter did. Why don't you argue with him?

Repent and be baptized everyone of you (including you and me) in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost.

Jesus also added baptism

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

So Mr. Smith are we going to believe these gentlemen or not?

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1052101)

Yeah, why repent? Why pray? The cross is good enough, isn't it? Why believe? Why own a bible?

The point is that the cross provided everything we need to be saved. Anything we do can NEVER be considered salvation by that deed. There are things we need to do. But by the way you are talking about the cross in contrast to anything else you are implying, purposefully or not, that one need do nothing -- not even repent, pray... nada.

Yes if the cross is the saving element, not that which allows us to be saved, then there is no need to believe, repent, be baptized, or even go to church or hear preaching. THe cross already did everything to secure our salvation. Thats not Bible, the CROSS is the propitiation of sins that we might be saved through the gospel (which the cross is only part of)

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son (the cross) that whosoever believeth in Him (something we do in addition to the cross) should not perish (didn't say will not or never can perish, SHOULD NOT) but have everlasting life.

The Cross enabled us to be saved, we still have to be born again and receive forgiveness of our sins if we are to be changed folks!

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

The baptism of The Holy Spirit is a gift of grace,and it is received by faith just like,forgiveness of sins is.

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1052181)

The baptism of The Holy Spirit is a gift of grace,and it is received by faith just like,forgiveness of sins is.

Fantastic, I'll take it. When do I get?

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1051641)

Were sins forgiven through animal sacrifices, in OT times?

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1052162)

Bump.

Do I have to answer my own question? :lol

OK, the Bible says that animal sacrifices were for the forgiveness of sins, but several AFFers have said that sins were not forgiven -- they were "rolled forward" until Jesus paid the price for them. I've asked for Biblical support for that, but, as far as I can recall, never got any.

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 1052233)

Fantastic, I'll take it. When do I get?

I dunno, but whatever you do, don't try to get it. :heeheehee

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1052123)

No and yes.

lol

They were not saved in their lifetimes in the OT because the cross of Jesus had not been provided for the transgressions under the law. Since the atonement of the cross, they are saved.

••Which is my whole point. I think they had it easier.....easier than your version of grace, anyway.

Hebrews 9:15 KJV And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Again, we talked about this before, tongues are not something we have to do in order to get saved. It is something that HAPPENS ON ITS OWN when we receive the Holy Ghost. Why can't people get the concept that the CAUSE is not the EVIDENCE?

••Wow, that sounds GREAT!!! So I don't have to do ANYTHING!!!! It'll just happen!! When should I expect it??

Whatever the case, it is not a matter of trying harder when people believe you are not saved without speaking in tongues. Trying harder does not get anyone the Spirit baptism with initial "evidence" (not cause) of speaking in tongues.

That is the problem. TRYING!

••Ok, I promise not to try. You have my word!

Exactly. And that is why it is not a matter of TRYING and EFFORT. Tongues is EVIDENCE NOT CAUSE.

••Ok, I understand loud and clear. I won't try, I won't do a darn thing. One day I'll be walking down the mall, minding my own business and BAM, it'll just happen. I can't wait.

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1052162)

Bump.

All of the bible scholars are ignoring your question, Timmy.:foottap

Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 1052238)

All of the bible scholars are ignoring your question, Timmy.:foottap

I'm used to it. :heeheehee