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Re: Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theolo

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Originally Posted by TK Burk (Post 584640)

Actually it was IB and Gershon Solomon. Solomon is the founder and leader of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement.

And you know what would really I mean

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLYYYYYYYYYY

Get me about that? Was that Brother Baxter would travel around with Gershon in tow, from church to church and when Gershon would get up i nthe pulpit FIRST THING HE WOULD SAY IN CHURCH AFTER CHURCH WAS .......

"Now I don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah the way YOU do..."

And people would run the aisles shouting spinning going bersek, and I would sit there thinking 'DO ANY OF YOU MORONS UNDERSTAND WHAT HE JUST SAID???" (Pardon my French but sometimes these words DO fit to a "t")

What he was saying is that if HE had been there two thousand years ago

HE would have been screaming "CRUCIFY HIM" Its insane how that sometimes people can literally hear what they want to hear even when the opposite is being said! Absolutely incredible!

I have had my own minor run ins with the Temple Mount Faithful in Jerusalem , including being knocked to the ground by two of them in the arcaded streets of the old city (First thought that I was about to be stabbed to death by Muslims) and let me tell you , the average Jew ESPECIALLY THE CONSERVATIVE AND ORTHODOX consider the Temple Mount Faithful to be utter Kooks along the line of the KKK, in other words they are the Jewish Ku Klux Klan who seem to have no compunction about going around collecting Christian Money that is never going to be used to rebuild the temple! And the few Jewish Apostolic Believers are flabbergasted that they (including an orthodox rabbi that is baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost and dramatically oneness in his spirit) cant get a cent of help to evangelize their own people! Temple Mount Faithful money for the temple???Ha! That money is SPENT! (And unlike some of my friends thinking, I DO believe that there will be a rebuilt temple there in Jerusalem some day....shoot me but i do) But it aint gonna happen with this band of eloquent thugs!

Anyway the whole deal is tainted...Tens if not Hundreds of Thousands of dollars given to raise RED COWS!!!! RED COWS!!!!!!!!!! Virtually NOTHING to evangelize Israel!!!

Welll someone touched my button I better shut up,

Re: Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theolo

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Originally Posted by TCSQ (Post 586137)

Yep! I understand the sentiment….

I attended Bro. Baxter's church in Richmond, Indiana. He had Gershon in to speak while we were there. Gershon made it plain that he DID NOT believe in Jesus as we did. A visiting woman objected to him speaking and was quickly quieted. Geshon then made a huge appeal for finances to support his Temple Mount Faithful movement. When it came time for the offering, my wife and I gave him exactly the amount we felt we should--$0.00!

I have asked many times for the scriptures that say there will be a third Temple built. To date I have never been given any that say such a thing. And what gets me, is though they have no biblical reason to do so, churches still financially support organizations like Gershon’s Temple Mount Faithful, and Chaim Richman’s Temple Institute, and those dedicated to raising red heifers, all of which are dedicated to doing works that are contrary to the biblical message of Jesus Christ’s New Covenant.

Re: Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theolo

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Originally Posted by TK Burk (Post 586201)

EXACTLY! And you know wether you are a preterist partial preterist dispensationalist pre mid post, WHATEVER the truth remains IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS TO PUT AWAY SIN! I am not ashamed of THE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ for *****IT****** Is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth TO THE JEW FIRST AND TO THE GREEK.

No Bulls No Goats!

(I am just waiting to see some one post "But it dont say nuthin about no Heiffers!)

Anyway I WAS and AM outraged that that whole mess not only was pretty much allowed to go on in the Apostolic MOvement in General and the UPC and the PAJC in particular. Where were officials of officialdom to raise their voices about Apsotolic Churches giving their pulpits over to men who OPENLY reject Jesus Christ???!!!?!?!?! (Can you see how utterly baffling that was and is?)

I still shudder to this day when I go into a church to preach and find Endtimes Magazine available in the lobby. When will we start distributing the National Enquirer and the Star too?????????

(Can you tell I am NOT a fan of Irvin Baxter. Charlatan if ever there was one!) Fake fake fake. By the way did I say he is a fake?

Some people will buy anything I guess but really RED COWS???!!!!

Re: Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theolo

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Originally Posted by TCSQ (Post 586242)

AMEN AND AMEN.

One oneness church had the same guy in the pulpit and the pastor NOTICEABLY AVOIDED using the name Jesus during the entire service.

When 1 John spoke of the spirit of antichrist, it was speaking of people falling back into Judaism and denying Jesus ever came in flesh -- AND NOT gnosticism, although gnosticism is antichrist, too. In John's day, backsliding into Judaism was the BIG deal. The book of Hebrews also dealt with the wholesale backsliding of Hebrew believers back into Judaism.

Does not Judaism deny that Jesus came in the flesh? THAT is the spirit of antichrist.

Re: Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theolo

Do all realize that the Judaism of today is the same Pharisaism that Jesus dealt with? The Pharisees continued after the temple was destroyed in the first century, but the Sadducess could not continue without a temple. So what we have today with these Judaists is the Pharisaical element that fought Jesus at every mile, and still do.

God loves all peoples and jews, since they had the covenants and promises, says Romans 11. But Paul also said this made them enemies for the gospel's sake. But the white racist idea of enemy is hellish.

Romans 11:28 KJV As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Re: Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theolo

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Originally Posted by TK Burk (Post 582792)

On June 8, 2008, Sarah Pulin spoke at her home church, the Wasilla Assembly of God. During that speech she said:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." (Found approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE)

Did you catch that? Palin said that the Iraq war is “from God,” and that the soldiers fighting there “on a task from God.” Now I’m not going to get into the debate about whether or not a Christian can kill another human being, because that’s not the issue here. What we do need to see is that Sarah Palin believes the war being fought is a war “from God,” and that the men and women sent there are there to fight and die for God. Where would she get such a notion?

She did not say it WAS a task from God she said Pray that it was...in other words pray that it is the will of God. Pray for a plan that IS God's will. Maybe the war is NOT God's will. She sounds like she is advocating prayer for direction

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How about from her home church in Wasilla, Alaska?

Since 1999, Rev. Ed Kalnins has been the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God. Kalnins believes the 9/11 attacks and subsequent Iraqi war are part of a "world war" over the Christian faith. He preaches to the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation that Jesus Christ demands that they, and all other Christians, be willing to sacrifice their lives in this type war. Here is an example of this:

“What you see in a terrorist—that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war” (READ HERE).

So, there you go. Christians are called to fight in a physical war, which parallels an ongoing spiritual war.

ok...seemed to me he was saying we are called to fight in a SPIRITUAL war which has parallels to a physical war....hmmm

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While looking to find what churches and preachers Palin's church associated with, I decided to look into something she mentioned during her June 8th appearance at the Wasilla Assembly of God church. On a couple occasions she referenced folks in the congregation as being a part of the “Master’s Commission.” I did a Google search and found there is a Bible school in Wasilla of that name and that they are a part of the Wasilla Assembly of God (SEE HERE). They have a website which I went to. That site has an option “About Us.” The first choice on that page is entitled, “About Alaska". Once there you'll see that the very first paragraph says:

“Alaska has a divine destiny that has been spoken about by many church leaders and prophetic leaders from all over the world such as Dutch Sheets, TODD BENTLY, Steve Thompson, Woody Woodson, and Dr. Cho just to name a few.”

That is not good, however is this what the Pastor feels? Maybe it was an over zealous webmaster

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If a person can be found guilty by association, then the folks at this Wasilla school and church will be doing 20 to life! A Google search of the men they listed will turn up a mirage of teachings and doctrines that are contrary to what is found in the Bible. One of these is belief in Latter Rain and Dominion Theology. And let’s not forget the recent issues and controversy of Todd Bentley. Did you notice they have him second on their list of “church leaders and prophetic leaders”?

That is not evidence of association. Listing people that says that about Alaska...did it say that about THEIR church?

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Now to Wikipedia; I know the concerns with accuracy of the source, but listed under “Dominion Theology,” in Wikipedia is this statement:

Dominion theology may be more nationally relevant in the US since Sarah Palin became John McCain's running mate as the Republican Party's 2008 vice presidential candidate. RECENT INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM SUGGESTS THAT SARAH PALIN IS A "DOMINIONIST STALKING HORSE"[1]. If John McCain is elected to become the 44th president of the United States and dies in his first term in office (with an actuarial probability of 13.8%[2]) then the 45th president of the United States (though not elected to that position) WOULD PROBABLY ACCEPT MAJOR ELEMENTS OF THIS THEOLOGICAL POSITION. That John McCain would nominate her indicates that, while not necessarily committed to the doctrines, the movement has his sympathies and he is seeking their financial and political support (SEE HERE).

So there you go. John McCain chose a woman as his VP running mate who is tied to a church that teaches Dominion Theology, and who follows the teachings of men like Todd Bentley. If you do not know the implications of what this doctrine may do in the White House, then you really need to study the teachings of C Peter Wagner's group.

Think about it; do you really like the idea that a (so called) prophet's or apostle's prophecy may someday be used to send our troops into a physical war that was "chosen by God"? And like she said, Alaska is a state that God chose as a "refuge state" for the "last days" (Found approximately 10 minutes and 49 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE). This shows that her prophetic views will dictate her political choices...and with the company she's used to keeping, that could become very scary!

That does not necessarily mean dominion theology. It does show a prophetic view but it does NOT show it will dictate her political choices...what company doe she keep?