Sabbath and bible feasts

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Nonsense. My goodness.

If that is all you have to say, why say anything at all? A forum is for discussion, is it not? If we disagree, then great, we both learn through having discussion, but gain nothing by derogatory remarks.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

If that is all you have to say, why say anything at all? A forum is for discussion, is it not? If we disagree, then great, we both learn through having discussion, but gain nothing by derogatory remarks.

You are right, I shouldn't have said anything. They were just remarks of disappointment.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Beastiality is fornication. God created Intercourse to be between a husband and wife only. Is it really necessary to convince a Holy Spirit filled child of God that fornication is sin? I am not saying Christians cannot fall into sexual immorality, but we will know it is wrong.

I didn’t forget about the cross dressing prohibition. You brought it up in an earlier post and I have already addressed it. There are many NT scriptures that define the role of male and females in the NT church. People who have gender dysphoria need to be delivered, because they are literally in sin bondage. If they are filled with the Holy Ghost you won’t have any trouble convincing them that it is wrong to go in drag.

if you are talking about the pants vs. skirts issue, that is conjectural and I personally feel there is some liberty. We have made pants a major issue in the Pentecostal church, but we have failed in keeping biblical teachings for men and women. Modern feminism is just as vibrant amongst Pentecostals, but has been adapted to be done while wearing a skirt. Cultures differ on gender distinctions and I personally believe those things will work themselves out by teaching and the Holy Ghost. We don’t have to return back to the law to be righteous.

So basically, anybody with the Holy Ghost will agree with your views just because that's the way it is.

Meanwhile, you can't see what you are doing with all these assumptions of yours. First you demand "Where does it say xyz?" then when the tables are turned you just magically incorporate all your unwritten beliefs into other texts that don't say anything about YOUR xyz's.

Fascinating.

[Esaias]

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The APOSTOLIC teaching is that the BIBLE gives us the information we need in order to be instructed in righteousness and to be complete. Paul did not want anyone to rely on their personal feelz no matter how pious or "spiritual" they might seem, but pointed to the Word instead.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The fourth commandment is fulfilled by entering his rest according to NT teaching.

Hebrews 4:8-10
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

Entering into God’s rest is our observance to Sabbath.

Your conclusion does not at all follow from your premises (the passage cited).

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So basically, anybody with the Holy Ghost will agree with your views just because that's the way it is.

Meanwhile, you can't see what you are doing with all these assumptions of yours. First you demand "Where does it say xyz?" then when the tables are turned you just magically incorporate all your unwritten beliefs into other texts that don't say anything about YOUR xyz's.

Fascinating.

It isn’t about my views. It has to do with the purpose of the Spirit.

John 16:8-13
8......And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9......Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10......Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11......Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12......I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13......Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


I have not intended ever to say that moral nature of the mosaic law is wrong. We simply are to no longer serve under that law.

Romans 7:5-6
5......For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6......But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Obviously, idolatry, fornication, dishonoring the name of Jesus, etc.. are still sins under the new covenant. Food laws and Sabbath laws where shadows that are fulfilled and no longer require literal observance.

Romans 14:5-6
5......One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6......He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

[good samaritan]

Here is a person’s comment from a Jewish Facebook page. It is regarding some speacial breed of red heifer.

“To further clarify, in Xtianity, there is usually no physical effort or work required. Judaism requires a great amount of preparation, effort and work, and in that G-d can bless our efforts. You would have to understand Judaism to know these concepts.”

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

It isn’t about my views. It has to do with the purpose of the Spirit.

John 16:8-13
8......And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9......Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10......Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11......Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12......I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13......Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


I have not intended ever to say that moral nature of the mosaic law is wrong. We simply are to no longer serve under that law.

Romans 7:5-6
5......For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6......But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Obviously, idolatry, fornication, dishonoring the name of Jesus, etc.. are still sins under the new covenant. Food laws and Sabbath laws where shadows that are fulfilled and no longer require literal observance.

Romans 14:5-6
5......One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6......He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Sin is transgression of the law according to both John and Paul. The Holy Ghost (the real Holy Ghost) reproves sinners (people who transgress the law of God) for their sins (transgressions of the law of God). The Fourth Commandment was never repealed or altered or abolished. Transgressing the Fourth Commandment is sin, just as transgressing any of the other Commandments is sin.

The Spirit guides us into all truth. Jesus declared that God's Word is truth, in the prayer He prayed right after the speech from which you quoted.

We are not UNDER the law. But that doesn't mean "we may violate those portions of the law that interfere with our lifestyle".

By the way, Paul said this:

1 Corinthians 9:21 KJV
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

Paul directly affirmed the continuing validity of the food laws:

1 Timothy 4:4-5 KJV
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: [5] For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Romans 14 isn't about the food laws given by God:

Romans 14:2 KJV
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Nor is it about the Fourth Commandment (nowhere mentioned or hinted at in the chapter).

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Sin is transgression of the law according to both John and Paul. The Holy Ghost (the real Holy Ghost) reproves sinners (people who transgress the law of God) for their sins (transgressions of the law of God). The Fourth Commandment was never repealed or altered or abolished. Transgressing the Fourth Commandment is sin, just as transgressing any of the other Commandments is sin.

The Spirit guides us into all truth. Jesus declared that God's Word is truth, in the prayer He prayed right after the speech from which you quoted.

We are not UNDER the law. But that doesn't mean "we may violate those portions of the law that interfere with our lifestyle".

By the way, Paul said this:

1 Corinthians 9:21 KJV
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

Paul directly affirmed the continuing validity of the food laws:

1 Timothy 4:4-5 KJV
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: [5] For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Romans 14 isn't about the food laws given by God:

Romans 14:2 KJV
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Nor is it about the Fourth Commandment (nowhere mentioned or hinted at in the chapter).

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The Hebrew laws are not carbon copied upon our hearts. It is the righteousness of those laws that Carryover.

Civil laws must be amended because they become impractical and obsolete. Over time laws become just rules and the very intent becomes lost. The Holy Spirit in our hearts never becomes irrelevant, but it guides in all truth. If the 10 commandments where to be a explicitly continued teaching, there would have been something clearly taught by the apostles. The law of Christ exceeds the righteousness of the 10 commandments.

[good samaritan]

1 Corinthians 9:20-21
20......And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21......To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

This passage doesn’t advocate being under Mosaic laws. It is about Paul being flexible to reach the lost with gospel. The righteousness of the Law Carries over and therefore we are never gonna be lawless. To teach mosaic laws as New Testament (or sin) is casting a stumbling block and the epistles forbid it. Observing a Saturday Sabbath is perfectly fine, as long as the person understands that the true rest comes from Jesus Christ.

We are not to feel we must become Jewish in the context of being a Jew in this passage. The law to God that Paul continued to keep wasn’t being Jewish, but it was being Christian.