Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:27 AM
TK Burk's Avatar
TK Burk TK Burk is offline
Lamb Saved & Shepherd Led


 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 3,729
Bernard on TV, Tulsa, and Togetherness

This was just sent to me by a fellow minster. I thought you might enjoy seeing the official South Texas Dist. position.



TV ADVERTISING RESOLUTION UPDATE
11/21/07
From David K. Bernard

You have probably received an invitation to a meeting in Tulsa in January for ministers who are concerned about the recent General Conference resolution allowing TV advertising and ministry. I have heard that a few ministers plan to leave the UPCI, while other ministers have stated that they will attend the meeting but do not plan to leave the UPCI. It seems that this issue will have little or no effect within our district. So far, none of the ministers of our district has withdrawn as a result of this matter, and I have only heard indirectly of one who may do so.

It is legitimate for us to be concerned about the possible effect of a resolution like this. At the same time, it is premature to assume a negative outcome and certainly premature to withdraw from the fellowship. We should not act in fear but in faith. We should not prophesy failure for the body or let our influence be used to harm the body, but we should work for the spiritual success of the body. Now is the time to cooperate with the body as never before, to work for common values, and to set a positive example of holiness—and to follow leaders who are attempting to do these things.

I believe that the overwhelming majority of our ministers truly want to do what is right and are standing for holiness. Changing technology, including the merger of Internet, video, and television, has created a new situation, and as a movement we are seeking the right way to operate in this environment. We should prayerfully lead our congregations in holiness and create a consensus for the appropriate use of technology. If there are abuses of technology or uses that undermine our position of holiness, then we need to take corrective measures. By working together, we can prevent, minimize, and resolve problems that arise. It would be wrong to leave our fellowship before there is evidence of problems caused by the resolution or without allowing our fellowship time to deal with such problems if they arise.

We have invested much in this fellowship, including home and foreign missions. We must be careful not to do anything to harm the body or hinder the tremendous worldwide revival that God is giving us. If we try too hard to pull out every tare, we could also pull out much wheat. In no case should we condone false doctrine, sin, or unethical conduct. However, we must be big enough to live with policy decisions or ministerial rules that are not to our liking. Since our form of church government is basically congregational, we have the liberty to follow convictions and preferences in local church policy. In other words, we don’t have to change the operation of our local churches in this matter.

Those of us who are pastors are called by God to lead our assemblies. However, our position as pastor does not exempt us from the need to follow scriptural principles of unity, building up the body, accountability, submission to godly authority, cooperation with decisions of the body (even when we disagree), and ethics. Although we are preachers, we must first be saints! Just as we teach our people to follow these principles in the local church, so we must follow these principles in the larger church fellowship. Even if we have a legitimate concern or disagreement, we must not undermine unity, sow discord, cause strife, or act out of personal motives and feelings. I am not asserting that anyone is doing so, but we should be careful in this regard.

When we became ministers of the UPCI, all of us made a commitment to proclaim the message of salvation according to Acts 2:38, and we made a commitment to preach and practice holiness. We recently signed a statement reaffirming this position. When we became ministers of the UPCI, we also affirmed the following statement in our Fundamental Doctrine: “We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body.” Let us keep this commitment.
__________________
The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
 -DD Benincasa, 12/06/03

www.tkburk.com
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:35 AM
StillStanding's Avatar
StillStanding StillStanding is offline
Beautiful are the feet......


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Right...behind...you!
Posts: 6,600
Very well spoken!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:35 AM
SDG SDG is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: H-Town, Texas
Posts: 18,009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost and Found View Post

Those of us who are pastors are called by God to lead our assemblies. However, our position as pastor does not exempt us from the need to follow scriptural principles of unity, building up the body, accountability, submission to godly authority, cooperation with decisions of the body (even when we disagree), and ethics. Although we are preachers, we must first be saints! Just as we teach our people to follow these principles in the local church, so we must follow these principles in the larger church fellowship. Even if we have a legitimate concern or disagreement, we must not undermine unity, sow discord, cause strife, or act out of personal motives and feelings. I am not asserting that anyone is doing so, but we should be careful in this regard.

When we became ministers of the UPCI, all of us made a commitment to proclaim the message of salvation according to Acts 2:38, and we made a commitment to preach and practice holiness. We recently signed a statement reaffirming this position. When we became ministers of the UPCI, we also affirmed the following statement in our Fundamental Doctrine: “We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body.” Let us keep this commitment.
IMO, He is laying down some arguments to hang some of these guys on the basis of ethics ....
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:39 AM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Great article and great wisdom in it.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:40 AM
SDG SDG is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: H-Town, Texas
Posts: 18,009
Bernard is a proponent, apparently, of denominationalism.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:42 AM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea View Post
Bernard is a proponent, apparently, of denominationalism.
explain
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:43 AM
SDG SDG is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: H-Town, Texas
Posts: 18,009
Quote:
It would be wrong to leave our fellowship before there is evidence of problems caused by the resolution or without allowing our fellowship time to deal with such problems if they arise.
There is lots of wisdom in this letter.... but I take issue w/ the above quote.

Why be reactive ... when you can be proactive???
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:43 AM
StillStanding's Avatar
StillStanding StillStanding is offline
Beautiful are the feet......


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Right...behind...you!
Posts: 6,600
Quote:
When we became ministers of the UPCI, all of us made a commitment to proclaim the message of salvation according to Acts 2:38, and we made a commitment to preach and practice holiness. We recently signed a statement reaffirming this position. When we became ministers of the UPCI, we also affirmed the following statement in our Fundamental Doctrine: “We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body.” Let us keep this commitment.
He is making liers out of those that are causing division!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:44 AM
Barb Barb is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover View Post
explain
I think Daniel means, hang with the pack who showed you the Way...am I right, D...?!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-22-2007, 08:49 AM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea View Post
There is lot's wisdom in this letter.... but take issue w/ the above quote.

Why be reactive ... when you can be proactive???
I see. Perhaps there are a few who only know how to respond to such.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
THE LATEST! On TULSA and the New ORGANIZATION!!!! Thad The Tab 61 11-29-2007 11:41 AM
******Tulsa Commercial******* delta soundman Fellowship Hall 28 11-07-2007 12:41 PM
David Bernard endorsing Christian Rock Band?? Thad The Tab 41 09-27-2007 07:09 PM
*** Newsflash: D Bernard Speaks Out on TV Debate and Upcoming GC*** SDG The D.A.'s Office 92 09-26-2007 03:03 PM
Dave Bernard addresses beards freeatlast Fellowship Hall 542 06-10-2007 10:47 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by jfrog
- by Salome
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.