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Old 06-20-2012, 08:41 AM
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If you are wondering what the end game is for Government controlled / directed healthcare check out this article today in a British newspaper where a prominent physician claims that Britains National Health Service is killing off 123,000 elderly people per year.

Apparently the government's health service developed a protocol for handling patients who are deemed terminally ill, unable to recover. This protocol is a "pathway" that usually leads to death within 33 hours and includes withholding treatment for their ailment, denial or food and water for tube fed patients, etc.

This respected physician claims that this protocol has now become something used in hospitals to reduce over crowding and to get rid of difficult patients. Rather than actually treat an elderly patient who might require an extended hospital stay and a lot of resources because of their condition they just put them on this "pathway" to a quick death.

Here is the link to the actual article in the Daily MaIL newspaper;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1yK7gbr7D
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Yes. Both are advocates for National Health Care.
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Please vote your conscience this November?
Only if your conscience includes voting for Mitt Romney.

otherwise, vote for Mitt Romney.
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In America, if a patient doesn't have the insurance necessary (or the money) to pay for the treatment(s) of a terminal illness that might require life saving treatment of some prescription drugs or certain medical procedures (such as dialysis or transplant operations) the patient is often denied a life saving drug or operation.
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Yes. Both are advocates for National Health Care.
Only one candidate has promised to repeal Obamacare his first day in office.

It does not sound like that is being an advocate, to me.
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Only one candidate has promised to repeal Obamacare his first day in office.

It does not sound like that is being an advocate, to me.
I would say that only one candidate is telling a lie, but that would likewise be a lie.

Please tell me how Romney is going to repeal legislation by Congress on his first day in office?
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In America, if a patient doesn't have the insurance necessary (or the money) to pay for the treatment(s) of a terminal illness that might require life saving treatment of some prescription drugs or certain medical procedures (such as dialysis or transplant operations) the patient is often denied a life saving drug or operation.

I don't understand how people can act like they don't already know this to be the truth.

Directing or requiring all Americans to be responsible for their own healthcare is not the worst thing since polio.

That's exactly what the healthcare law does-- forces people to be responsible for their own healthcare insurance, which in the long run will ultimately ease the personal healthcare costs and burdens from the government to individual citizens and private companies.

There's good and bad with healthcare reform, but to compare our reform to what the article is speaking of is not congruent.
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No big difference. A mandate is a mandate - it's socialism. And it doesn't work, economically, on any level - federal or state (10th Amendment).

The Beacon Hill Institute study found that, on average, Romneycare:

•    cost the Bay State 18,313 jobs;

•    drove up total health insurance costs in Massachusetts by $4.311 billion;

•    slowed the growth of disposable income per person by $376; and

•    reduced investment in Massachusetts by $25.06 million.

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The Beacon Hill Institute, a conservative think tank at Suffolk that conducts economic research, has garnered media attention for a report it released claiming that so-called RomneyCare took jobs 18,000 away from the state and raised insurance costs.

Romney’s healthcare bill added about $4 billion to healthcare premium since its inception in 2007, which translated into fewer jobs, according to Tuerck.

“If it costs you more now as an employer to hire another person because of increased healthcare—that’s how it translates into fewer jobs,” he said.

The Beacon Hill Institute hasn’t directly studied the national healthcare bill signed into law by President Obama, but Tuerck predicted that it will have a much bigger impact on health costs.

“There’s no place to shift the costs. Under RomneyCare, the state shifted half the costs to the federal government and most of the other half to individual families and policy holders,” he said. “We can’t do that with ObamaCare. There’s no place for the costs to go.”

http://suffolkjournal.net/2011/09/be...care-research/
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