We just had a major vote in Mississippi, the last until 2012. On this ballot, there were 3 initiatives added for the people in Mississippi to vote on to add to the State of Mississippi's Constitution. The one I want to discuss is the "Personhood USA Amendment".
The people of Mississippi voted this down, including many pro lifers.
I 26 contains only 21 words to amend to the MS Constitution as read:
“The term ‘person’ or ‘persons’ shall include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.”
The debate focused only on the abortion aspect of this bill. Aborting a fertilized embryo would be considered murdering the baby. Phil Bryant who won the Governorship was quoted in the paper the day of the election, " If this bill doesn't pass, then Satan wins."
I am curious...how many of you would vote for or against this and why? I have a reason for asking because I want to see if somebody else sees what I see wrong in these 21 words, that absolutely nobody mentioned during all the debating of whether this should be voted in or not.
For the record, I am staunchly pro life. I had my babies rather late in life and refused ultrasounds, amniocentesis and other tests for birth defects because as I told my physician, I would never abort my baby just because he/she might be born with spina bifida or downs syndrome or other defects. I would just deal with it if it happened.
I would have voted for it, but I heard that many people hung up on the last few words from cloning to the end. Cloning is already against the law in MS, and some people were concerned that the last phrase might ban things like invitrofertilization. That was why a number of people voted against it. Also, PP spent a lot of money in the state just to muddy the water about women's healthcare.
I hope the next one that gets sent up only deals with the matter of personhood. That would cut down on the number of ways it could be attacked.
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I would have voted for it, but I heard that many people hung up on the last few words from cloning to the end. Cloning is already against the law in MS, and some people were concerned that the last phrase might ban things like invitrofertilization. That was why a number of people voted against it. Also, PP spent a lot of money in the state just to muddy the water about women's healthcare.
I hope the next one that gets sent up only deals with the matter of personhood. That would cut down on the number of ways it could be attacked.
I don't think the cloning thing had much to do with it. It was the legal issues this amendment would have brought up for certain types of contraceptives and IVF procedures, not to mention possible legal issues for women who have miscarriages.
It really just didn't make any sense, and luckily the people in Mississippi realized that.
I don't think the cloning thing had much to do with it. It was the legal issues this amendment would have brought up for certain types of contraceptives and IVF procedures, not to mention possible legal issues for women who have miscarriages.
It really just didn't make any sense, and luckily the people in Mississippi realized that.
Legally definining unborn children as people is just a way to try and circumvent the ruling that abortion is legal. Strangely enough, legally defining unborn children as people has soo many negative side effects that it seems even the people of Mississippi won't go for it. I remember arguing such in a thread a while ago. AFFers seemed to hate me when I introduced the thought that by defining them as people it could open up potential mother's to criminal charges such as murder and neglect.
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Legally definining unborn children as people is just a way to try and circumvent the ruling that abortion is legal. Strangely enough, legally defining unborn children as people has soo many negative side effects that it seems even the people of Mississippi won't go for it.
Exactly. This would have muddied the legal waters immensely.
For instance, if an embryo is a person, then a doctor would have to report any miscarriage to the police. They, in turn, would have to investigate to see if there was foul play involved, since the miscarriage resulted in a person's death.
Knowing some people from Mississippi, I thought this would have had no problem passing. Glad to see I was wrong.
Exactly. This would have muddied the legal waters immensely.
For instance, if an embryo is a person, then a doctor would have to report any miscarriage to the police. They, in turn, would have to investigate to see if there was foul play involved, since the miscarriage resulted in a person's death.
Knowing some people from Mississippi, I thought this would have had no problem passing. Glad to see I was wrong.
And foul play could potentially be a potential mother overexerting herself one day and that causing or likely causing the embryo to die. It might not be murder but she should have known better than to overexert herself it might be argued and that is still a crime.
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I would have voted for it, but I heard that many people hung up on the last few words from cloning to the end. Cloning is already against the law in MS, and some people were concerned that the last phrase might ban things like invitrofertilization. That was why a number of people voted against it. Also, PP spent a lot of money in the state just to muddy the water about women's healthcare.
I hope the next one that gets sent up only deals with the matter of personhood. That would cut down on the number of ways it could be attacked.
According to this website, http://www.prolifemississippi.org/ cloning is legal in Mississippi. However, even if cloning was illegal, why would they feel the need to even put the word in there? Some people think that because the "C" word was put in there, that eventually if the amendment became a part of Mississippi Constitutional law, it would protect a genetically manipulated clone. Now I don't know the cloning process. I don't know if scientists use an already fertilized egg to clone or if they fertilize it and genetically manipulate it. In any case, the people of Mississippi had a right to know any and all information upfront before they were asked to vote on it.
Is a genetically manipulated clone even human?
We eat cloned beef and now genetically modified salmon. ugh. Why are they doing this?
Many took exception to the fact that even though that website says what the bill would not do, the fact that there was no precise wording in the initiative that Mississippians could read to mandate what it would or would not do. They were asking Mississippians to vote on a mere 21 words and leave the details up to the legislature. It was wide open for abuse and would have been a target for lawsuit on the grounds of it's so-called unconstitutionality. But...we must remember that abortion was not made "legal" in our Congress. It was a Supreme Court Ruling...legislation from the bench...as some people say.
Also, I am of the opinion that Almighty God Himself set the mandate that life is in the blood. An embryo is just an embryo until about 21 days after conception, then it's little heart starts to beat and circulate blood. So, if left alone in the womb, it technically is a person.
Why in the world would people ask other people to "vote" who is a person as if the majority wins? If God says an embryo is a person, then who are we to think we can vote on what God has already established?
May God have mercy on us as a society that we are reduced to voting/declaring/deciding who is human.
Those Justices that allowed this can of worms to be opened in 1973 have a lot to answer for.
Areyouready you are great at expressing yourself ,I understand more about this ,than I did previously.
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