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Old 06-26-2011, 07:03 AM
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The Beginnings of Corruption

False teaching and false doctrine began early in the professing church and this one is a prime example that is still the hallmark of many today

The bedrock of preterism began significantly with the early fathers of the RRC, namely Augustine and Origen

This method of historical allegory used to interpret Bible prophecy has been dressed up in new package today and has become a popular theme among others even outside of the RCC .... and the irony is that these have disdain for the very organization from which this perverted doctrine came in the first place .... different slants, but the exact same deception

This mutually held dogma of preterism by those who contend with each other has to be coming from some other source that has infested the all .... it is one of Satan's most virulent forms of corruption of the human race

When the Lord did not return as early as some in professing christianity desired, the doctrine of Preterism was hatched

The scriptural evidence of His potentially longer delay was ignored and the method of historical exegesis became the foundational teaching of the RCC

This aberrant teaching contends that most, if not all, of the balance of unfulfilled prophecy recorded in scripture has already transpired ..... even the second coming of Jesus Christ

The same also bears the markings of replacement theology which relegates the Lord's nation of Israel to the past with no future inclusion .... those who teach these things must necessarily erase the clear and literal teaching of the scriptures on this matter and to then claim the position for themselves and their movements

The visions of the Bible prophets are all relegated to the past and the time of the end presented all took place in 70 A.D. related to the Roman invasions of Israel according to the the views of the historical allegory of the preterist

Large portions of unfulfilled projections of literal events are then either reduced to selective allegorical interpretation or swept under the rug altogether .... this is accomplished by very clever manipulations used by the false teacher

The RCC perspective has by propriety means acquired the position that this organization is in fact the Lord's millennial kingdom on the earth [which has not yet come] and that the position of the Pope is ruling as the representative of the Lord's kingdom on the present earth

And that for the last 2000 years the devil has been confined to the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations and all who desire salvation must obtain it by submitting themselves to this "church" position and authority or they will be lost

This entire body of theology is rotten with deception and totally apostate .... definitely another gospel .... one of Satan's biggest and subtle lies to pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ

Satan is still the "god" of this world and Jesus Christ is not ruling through the Pope and his "church" .... Satan has not yet been captured and sent to the abyss as he will be at the end of the Lord's coming millennial kingdom on the earth

This entire ranting of the RCC and many other contenders for appropriating the Lord's rule for themselves is pure hobgoblin


Matthew
24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


Peter speaks of these reprobate false teachers and one can easily recognize their apparent scoffing against the more sure word of biblical prophecy


2Peter
1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Many pied pipers of ill intent for self gain have come using this same styled story across the broad spectrum of the professing "church" ..... even those who claim to be fundamental and literal interpreters of the Lord's Word [MSOG movements are all prime examples]

.... but if one is proficient in the study, these fabricators can easily be detected and their motives exposed

And so has Satan done his work in the mosques of Islam, the most overt "anti-christ" religion on the earth .... a different twist, but with the same objective of deceiving millions .... " God has no son and there is no need for personal salvation by Him"

When Satan realized that his multicultural paganism of the Assyrians and Babylonians was challenged by monotheistic Judaism and Christianity he set out to create his own design of the same, namely the pre-Islamic moon "god" "Allah" selected by the false prophet Mohammed

It is this apostate transgression movement against the Lord [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Micah 5:5-6] that will produce the rising of Satan's beast of Revelation in the little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 12:12; 13:1-4; 17:8-14]
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Old 06-26-2011, 10:39 AM
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False teaching and false doctrine began early in the professing church and this one is a prime example that is still the hallmark of many today

The bedrock of preterism began significantly with the early fathers of the RRC, namely Augustine and Origen

This method of historical allegory used to interpret Bible prophecy has been dressed up in new package today and has become a popular theme among others even outside of the RCC .... and the irony is that these have disdain for the very organization from which this perverted doctrine came in the first place .... different slants, but the exact same deception

This mutually held dogma of preterism by those who contend with each other has to be coming from some other source that has infested the all .... it is one of Satan's most virulent forms of corruption of the human race

When the Lord did not return as early as some in professing christianity desired, the doctrine of Preterism was hatched

The scriptural evidence of His potentially longer delay was ignored and the method of historical exegesis became the foundational teaching of the RCC

This aberrant teaching contends that most, if not all, of the balance of unfulfilled prophecy recorded in scripture has already transpired ..... even the second coming of Jesus Christ

The same also bears the markings of replacement theology which relegates the Lord's nation of Israel to the past with no future inclusion .... those who teach these things must necessarily erase the clear and literal teaching of the scriptures on this matter and to then claim the position for themselves and their movements

The visions of the Bible prophets are all relegated to the past and the time of the end presented all took place in 70 A.D. related to the Roman invasions of Israel according to the the views of the historical allegory of the preterist

Large portions of unfulfilled projections of literal events are then either reduced to selective allegorical interpretation or swept under the rug altogether .... this is accomplished by very clever manipulations used by the false teacher

The RCC perspective has by propriety means acquired the position that this organization is in fact the Lord's millennial kingdom on the earth [which has not yet come] and that the position of the Pope is ruling as the representative of the Lord's kingdom on the present earth

And that for the last 2000 years the devil has been confined to the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations and all who desire salvation must obtain it by submitting themselves to this "church" position and authority or they will be lost

This entire body of theology is rotten with deception and totally apostate .... definitely another gospel .... one of Satan's biggest and subtle lies to pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ

Satan is still the "god" of this world and Jesus Christ is not ruling through the Pope and his "church" .... Satan has not yet been captured and sent to the abyss as he will be at the end of the Lord's coming millennial kingdom on the earth

This entire ranting of the RCC and many other contenders for appropriating the Lord's rule for themselves is pure hobgoblin


Matthew
24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


Peter speaks of these reprobate false teachers and one can easily recognize their apparent scoffing against the more sure word of biblical prophecy


2Peter
1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Many pied pipers of ill intent for self gain have come using this same styled story across the broad spectrum of the professing "church" ..... even those who claim to be fundamental and literal interpreters of the Lord's Word [MSOG movements are all prime examples]

.... but if one is proficient in the study, these fabricators can easily be detected and their motives exposed

And so has Satan done his work in the mosques of Islam, the most overt "anti-christ" religion on the earth .... a different twist, but with the same objective of deceiving millions .... " God has no son and there is no need for personal salvation by Him"

When Satan realized that his multicultural paganism of the Assyrians and Babylonians was challenged by monotheistic Judaism and Christianity he set out to create his own design of the same, namely the pre-Islamic moon "god" "Allah" selected by the false prophet Mohammed

It is this apostate transgression movement against the Lord [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Micah 5:5-6] that will produce the rising of Satan's beast of Revelation in the little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 12:12; 13:1-4; 17:8-14]
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Christians by definition are indeed PRETERIST too unless you want to not believe Jesus rose from the dead.The word “preterist” or “preterism,” of course, means past fulfillment. Jesus himself was a preterist!..

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:27 PM
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"Christians by definition are indeed PRETERIST too unless you want to not believe Jesus rose from the dead.The word “preterist” or “preterism,” of course, means past fulfillment. Jesus himself was a preterist!.."

>No, He entered visibly into the stream of human history in the first century and He has always existed from the beginning .... and will continue into the infinite future

>He is also coming to the earth again visibly and purposefully which the preterist theology denies, but the scriptures confirm it

>And one either believes the biblical account of all of this ..... or one does not

>I think you play on words with your statement above
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Christians by definition are indeed PRETERIST too unless you want to not believe Jesus rose from the dead.The word “preterist” or “preterism,” of course, means past fulfillment. Jesus himself was a preterist!..

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
that scripture was for the messiah only and the jews new this, it would make the ministry of the messiah, he didnt say all scriptures was fullfilled he stated this one is fullfilled. marking that the messiah, the Christ has come
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" he didnt say all scriptures was fullfilled he stated this one is fullfilled. marking that the messiah, the Christ has come"

Correct .... in fact the Lord makes many future projections Himself that were never fulfilled in the past [and will be in the future before us exactly as they are given 100%] .... for any to deny this truth is blasphemy from a perverse mind of those who are blind to His telling

The preterist view [historical/allegorical teaching] claims that His second coming, the "rapture" of His church, and the termination of His dealings with His nation of Israel all took place in 70 A.D. .... this thinking is hobgoblin and a direct refutation of His own words related to the future still before us even today

The objective of this aberrant teaching is to steal the blessed hope that the believer has for the return of the Lord personally and visibly [Revelation 3:11] .... and this is coming from the one who brings confusion and deception by suggestion [Genesis 3]

Preteristic teaching resides in the halls of professing christian religious organizations that capture their memberships and make them dependent upon their doctrines as a diversion from the truth and all bear the following trade marks today: No second coming of Jesus, no "rapture" of His church, no continued covenant relationship with His nation of Israel, and no need for Him to return to bring in His millennial kingdom upon the earth .... all of this is a direct refutation of His intents as recorded in the unfulfilled portion of His prophetic Word
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that scripture was for the messiah only and the jews new this, it would make the ministry of the messiah, he didnt say all scriptures was fullfilled he stated this one is fullfilled. marking that the messiah, the Christ has come
Luke 24:44-50 NIV

44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”


50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. 53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

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44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”


50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. 53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.
has nothing to do with the previous scriptures.
were talking about the beginning ministry of jesus fullfilling what was spoken of by the prophet in the old testament

your scripture is talking about God opening the eyes of His disciples to understand his crucifixtion and ressurection.

His disciples mainly the apostles that was with him understood he was the messiah when he quoted isaiah 61:1
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A Preterist is someone that believes all prophecy is fulfilled

A PP is one that believes most have been fulfilled
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"your scripture is talking about God opening the eyes of His disciples to understand his crucifixtion and ressurection"

>Absolutely true

>And then He directed attention to the future yet to come ..... all of this is pending fulfillment [Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21; Revelation 1]

>And partial preterism is just a cut down version of hyper-preterism, however both are in denial of scriptural truth related to the Lord's intents

>These two views are even in direct conflict by those who banter against each other today and neither meets the requirements of the Lord's prophetic Word
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"your scripture is talking about God opening the eyes of His disciples to understand his crucifixtion and ressurection"

>Absolutely true

>And then He directed attention to the future yet to come ..... all of this is pending fulfillment [Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21; Revelation 1]

>And partial preterism is just a cut down version of hyper-preterism, however both are in denial of scriptural truth related to the Lord's intents

>These two views are even in direct conflict by those who banter against each other today and neither meets the requirements of the Lord's prophetic Word
though i am in my own slow personal study i have ruled out full preterism, though some of what partial preterist stay makes alot of since, over someones future view. Since i have been a futurist for since i could remember i have been viewing it on both sides of the fence to understand both. I however have rulled out full preterism for the denial of the ressurection and second comming of the Lord.

The bible plainly speaks about this and that if any man preachs the ressurection has already come they are in error.
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