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01-23-2011, 02:02 PM
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PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
PAJC- Thieves, Liars, and Hypocrites
Unfortunately, there is no other conclusion based on the postings of PAJC progeny and their revisionist leaders/historians. (Including UPC leaders, Bible school teachers, and even some GIBs)
It is indisputable that the PCI was better organized and funded at the time of the merger. They even had headquarters, offices, and the like, whereas the PAJC did not.
According to the revisionists, the PAJC leaders felt from the beginning that the PCI’s theology was in error and they were lost. Furthermore, the unity clause was merely to give them time to come around to PAJC way of thinking or the time would come would come when they would be expelled. (Or excreted depending on which Westburg-ite was speaking.)
It then follows, they were liars. They did not truly believe the unity clause.
They were thieves, it was their intent to get their hands on the PCI’s property and later expel them.
They were hypocrites of the worst sort. To their face they told the PCI brethren that they were just that- brothers in Christ, but really believed them to be lost and hell bound. Perhaps even worse, as they were preachers leading others astray.
Revisionists also claim their forefathers made a mistake, the merger never should have happened, and the heretics never should have been let in.
On the other hand, if you believe like I do, that the merger was sincere; that they believed the PCI were brethren; that it was not as important whether baptism in Jesus’ name was because sins had been remitted or whether it was done to remit sins, as much as the fact both taught baptism in Jesus’ name as a commandment. Then the revisionists are mistaken and the PAJC was not a bunch of thieves, liars, and hypocrites after all.
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01-23-2011, 02:26 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
That's an interesting take on it.
I guess we'd need to ask the historians - which was it?
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01-23-2011, 02:32 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
Truth hurts.
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01-23-2011, 03:03 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
Which truth?
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01-23-2011, 03:09 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
I used to carry a pajc fellowship card....
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01-23-2011, 03:10 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
So what does that make me....ha...
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01-23-2011, 03:10 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
Of course not that pajc...ha...
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01-23-2011, 03:15 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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So what does that make me....ha...
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You will always be one of the good guys Sis.
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01-23-2011, 03:18 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
Is this speculation, or you have have sources to backup your claims?
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01-23-2011, 03:22 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind
PAJC- Thieves, Liars, and Hypocrites
Unfortunately, there is no other conclusion based on the postings of PAJC progeny and their revisionist leaders/historians. (Including UPC leaders, Bible school teachers, and even some GIBs)
It is indisputable that the PCI was better organized and funded at the time of the merger. They even had headquarters, offices, and the like, whereas the PAJC did not.
According to the revisionists, the PAJC leaders felt from the beginning that the PCI’s theology was in error and they were lost. Furthermore, the unity clause was merely to give them time to come around to PAJC way of thinking or the time would come would come when they would be expelled. (Or excreted depending on which Westburg-ite was speaking.)
It then follows, they were liars. They did not truly believe the unity clause.
They were thieves, it was their intent to get their hands on the PCI’s property and later expel them.
They were hypocrites of the worst sort. To their face they told the PCI brethren that they were just that- brothers in Christ, but really believed them to be lost and hell bound. Perhaps even worse, as they were preachers leading others astray.
Revisionists also claim their forefathers made a mistake, the merger never should have happened, and the heretics never should have been let in.
On the other hand, if you believe like I do, that the merger was sincere; that they believed the PCI were brethren; that it was not as important whether baptism in Jesus’ name was because sins had been remitted or whether it was done to remit sins, as much as the fact both taught baptism in Jesus’ name as a commandment. Then the revisionists are mistaken and the PAJC was not a bunch of thieves, liars, and hypocrites after all.
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Do you have anything concrete to back up your accusation?
You have a sweeping generalization here and serious accusations but no support
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