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Old 01-18-2008, 03:42 PM
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At What Cost, Anointing?

And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. Malachi 3:3
What would you give to feel the anointing of God on your life? What would you pay to know that when you hit your knees in prayer that God would hear your every word and answer? What suffering would you go through to know that when you spoke yokes would break, captives would be set free and the broken would be made whole?

What price would you be willing to pay? How long would you fast? How long and how often would you pray? What abuse would you submit to? What treachery would you bear against you? What horrors would you endure? What anguish of soul?

What loved one would you lose? What child would you suffer the loss of? What pain would you be willing to suffer? What death would you die a thousand nights over? What soul-wrenching anguish would you endure to both humble you, mature you, establish you? How long would you pray to know that God would not only be there when you hit your knees, but answer you either audibly or in his own way that you would know His voice every time?

What price would you pay to have God say you are his friend? How big of a personal hell would you walk through, day in and day out, just to know Him intimately, until all that you are and all that you were, and all that you would become are consumed in the fire of His trying and testing, knowing that you are being purged of all the dross and all of your tin, refined and purified into the vessel God has shaped?
Until the time that his word came: the word of the LORD tried him. Psalms 105:19
There is no shaping after the oven. Once the clay is formed in the image He will make, the oven heated and the vessel tried by fire, there is no mid-course corrections...no reshaping. "But God, I'm not ready," we cry.

Yet, in His wisdom, He says nothing as he places us in the fires of trial and testing, purifying the vessel to see if that which He has shaped will withstand the heat and take the form of that which He has chosen it for. The secret is this...only He knows what He has formed and why. We have no right to ask. We have no right to demand why. He the Potter, is Sovereign in his wisdom, mercy, knowledge and skill. He is not concerned with what is fair, what is equitable. He sees only the desired end and the shaping it must take to become what he wants us to be.
Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. Jeremiah 18:3-4
I have often heard that the only battles regarded highly among seasoned fighting men are those that cost much in blood, sweat, pain, comrades lost and friends long fallen...but never forgotten.

Vessels of honor are nothing less in God's eyes. He must see in that image which He is creating His desired end. He desires one that will hold to his guidance and promise and yield willingly to His shaping, even to the brink of death. He must know and see in their eyes the trust and confidence that says, "Do what you will, my Master. I will stay the course!"
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Jeremiah 29:11
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Old 01-18-2008, 04:38 PM
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Hi,The sad part is,God anoints people who are false too.The only way you can tell someone who is false is by their fruit and or what hey preach.True children of God will have good fruit and will be preaching full truth.Because they have good fruit God will teach them all truth.

Math.7:12: Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16: Ye shall know them by their fruits
. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


We confess him with the truth we preach.

1 John 4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2: Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5: They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6: We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1 John 3:1: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3: And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5: And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7: Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
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10: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother
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Old 01-19-2008, 01:00 AM
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Hi,The sad part is,God anoints people who are false too.The only way you can tell someone who is false is by their fruit and or what hey preach.True children of God will have good fruit and will be preaching full truth.Because they have good fruit God will teach them all truth.

Math.7:12: Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16: Ye shall know them by their fruits
. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


We confess him with the truth we preach.

1 John 4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2: Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5: They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6: We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1 John 3:1: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3: And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5: And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7: Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
.
10: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother
Actually, the Spirit of Truth bears witness of truth, not of men. God is not authorizing a person when the "anointing" is present, but He is validating the truth of His Word. Neither is God authorizing every word a person utters just because the anointing is present.

True preachers preach the truth that God has revealed to them, and as God reveals more truth, they preach more truth.

And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Acts 18:26 (KJV)
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Old 01-19-2008, 01:53 PM
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Actually, the Spirit of Truth bears witness of truth, not of men. God is not authorizing a person when the "anointing" is present, but He is validating the truth of His Word. Neither is God authorizing every word a person utters just because the anointing is present.

True preachers preach the truth that God has revealed to them, and as God reveals more truth, they preach more truth.

And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Acts 18:26 (KJV)
Hi,I see all the time preachers in and out of the anointing.God only anoints truth and will only confirm truth,he don't confirm lies.Amen,Many preachers don't even have gifts of the Spirit for God to confirm what they preach.I ask God to confirm everything I preach,that way God works the peoples needs and gives faith and confirms the truth and I know what I just preached was truth,Amen.

Heb.2
[4] God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Mark.16
[20] And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen..
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Old 02-13-2008, 02:42 PM
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Re: At What Cost, Anointing?

The issue is to walk in the Spirit all the time, but even the best of us seem to be hit and miss...one moment in the Spirit, the next back into the flesh again. Oh to be able to reach a place of perfection where every moment of our lives was lived in the Spirit constantly.

So Joelel, are you saying you are ALWAYS in the anointing...Never in and out of the anointing? That's some feat. How do you accomplish it?
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