Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Surat Al-'Aĥzāb 33:21

There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an EXCELLENT PATTERN for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.

Muhsin Khan

Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a GOOD EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.

Yusuf Ali

Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a BEAUTIFUL PATTERN (OF CONDUCT) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

Shakir

Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an EXCELLENT EXEMPLAR for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.



No Thanks!

There is a bit of evidence here and there that God really does not apply the title of "excellent" and "good example" based on sexual activity. You and your peers focus on it a lot more than God did when he sent the law down. Your obsession with it is a source of mild concern to me but each to their own.

There is actually a LOT of evidence, previously discussed with the now happily absent pliny (his posts were genius compared to yours sadly) that God (except for specifically identified laws) is silent on the issue.

From an earlier post an example of this.

At one time in history:

Genesis 20:11–12

And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife. But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

YET God said:

I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.[a]
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

Later in History:

Deuteronomy 27:22

‘Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ [Also see Leviticus 18:6–9.]

Bless or Curse? Seems to me that worshipping and believing in God might trump your views on what God might or might not give a nod to in terms of marriage and though with you it is "all about the sex" with others it might be a focus on God, submission to God, and worship of God and not about sex at all. Seems the common thread in the posted Hadith is about believing in God, not about who and how marriage is practiced.

As exampled above of course.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Don't forget to put down your foreign sourced income.

Foreign earned not sourced income.

In my case "tax season in Jubail" is April 28th, the earliest I can file, because I have a 330 day absence requirement to qualify for the exemption.

So: I filed an extension. Wait that's not quite accurate. I didn't file anything. PriceWaterhouse filed (or will file) one for me.

Any other questions? Wait, I'm a kid. I dunno nuthin' about that stuff!

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Hmm, you guys must be trying to set an AFF record for the longest thread.

This is playing compared to the Islam v christianity thread. That one was exhausting.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I was referencing a study on specific laws (current) in specific Muslim countries and the Islamic rulings that provide the foundation of those laws. It's not really good to "fatwah shop" and I view the passing of laws on a national scale as a better indication of progress in this area.

Those you speak to might believe that an adulterous woman should be stoned to death, but do they believe that the requirements for death penalty case must be carefully followed? Do they believe that absent 4 independent witnesses the accuser earns lashings, the accused walks free? That is what the Quran says.

That is a high burden of proof. Impossibly high. It is believed that this was deliberately so.

So you believe that an adulterous woman should be buried to her shoulders and stoned to death?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So you believe that an adulterous woman should be buried to her shoulders and stoned to death?

Is adultery a capital offense?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So you believe that an adulterous woman should be buried to her shoulders and stoned to death?

I believe that the penalties for adultery as outlined in the Quran apply. I believe we discussed this a long time ago? Maybe it was someone else. This is all running together.

At any rate, the Quran does not actually list adultery as a capital crime. Do your Muslim friends know this?

I would be highly amused to hear what your Muslim cohorts would say or reply if you were to ask them what is the penalty for adultery as outlined in the Quran THEN ask them if they even know where where the penalty of execution came from. Seems you have your thumb on the pulse of the unlearned masses. Even I want to play with that.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Is adultery a capital offense?

Not in the Quran, unless some previously unknown verses were revealed to Prax or his little cell of street Muslims.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Not in the Quran, unless some previously unknown verses were revealed to Prax or his little cell of street Muslims.

According to the Law of God, adultery is a capital crime.

[Esaias]

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...t.php#017.4192

Book 017, Number 4192:
'Ubada b. as-Samit reported that whenever Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) received revelation, he felt its rigour and the complexion of his face changed. One day revelation descended upon him, he felt the same rigour. When it was over and he felt relief, he said: Take from me. Verily Allah has ordained a way for them (the women who commit fornication),: (When) a married man (commits adultery) with a married woman, and an unmarried male with an unmarried woman, then in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year.

Book 017, Number 4194:
'Abdullah b. 'Abbas reported that 'Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.

[Esaias]

Leviticus 20:10 - And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.