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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Talk about a liar, you are lying when you claim that Talmud is accepted word for word across the board in the many different schools of Rabbinical Judaism. That is as stupid as claiming you came here to build a bridge between your religion and ours. The Talmud is a commentary of sages and Rabbis, all arguing different points of Jewish life and Torah law. To say that the Rabbis agreed on all the portions of Talmud you posted is a total laugh.
You proved that you are clueless because you don't understand the bar mtizvah or the bas mitzvah, both religious rituals are to bring the individuals into the community. Betrothals at an early age were not consummated like the Fabricator of Islam. Bar Mitzvah was performed at 13 for boys and 12 for girls, which would of made their eligibility for community and life. What ever you dig up from Talmud won't win with any Rabbi worth his Kosher salt. You would get laughed off your prayer rug.
Talmud is commentary, all of it, and it is interpreted so many different ways it will make your Hadith reading head spin. 
So, let me help you Mr Wanna Be Muslim, Jesus is with the doctors of the law answering questions at the age of 12 |
(laughing) Despite your needle skip you still have not answered the question.
Still missing in your answer: A piece, a fragment, a ruling, a verse, that would overcome the growing mountain of evidence that your interpretation of Ezekiel is not shared by anyone else on the planet up to and following the 8th century.
It is clear that you interpret the passage in Ezekiel as guidance for marriage. It is clear that you are so convinced of this, and since this is the only passage in the entire bible that even roughly alludes to marriage or marriage age, you have to desperately hold on to it even while drowning under example after example that does not support your interpretation of it. Then giggle at me for dismissing it? LOL
I do not trust your interpretation. Can't really pin the reason down. It's either the girly little dancing and hand waving or the girly giggling. Perhaps you grew up in a fatherless household. LOL
I have presented many examples of practice throughout history by the jews, who followed the old testament, and the christians, who followed the new testament but use the old testament. Their practices and the laws that they follow through various times in history do not support your view that this passage is guidance for marriage.
I have asked you numerous times to validate your interpretation of this by bringing examples that the jews, or the church, using this passage, have written down in their rules, their laws, or their practices that this is what is required for marriage and/or that not following this constitutes sin.
You have brought nothing.
As to your learned summary of what the Talmud is you are as numb as a stump if you think you are going to sell the idea that a recorded decision "Bet Shammai ruled...." or "Bet Hillal ruled..." is not a written record of legal rulings of various aspects of Jewish law at any given time and you are lying if you are trying to sell the idea that recorded legal rulings are "just commentary". These are rulings. The Talmud records these and painstakingly records the names of the rabbis who agree or disagree with these rulings and what their interpretation of these rulings are.
IN the case of "marriage to and sex with a pre-menstrual girl" there is NO record that any rabbi, anywhere, ruled that it is wrong, sinful, or not permissible. You have the link, this is their law, go dig one out.
I will get you started. Law on birth control:
This is directly from the site that I gave you (so that you could do research before you post stupid statements).
R. Bebai recited before R. Nahman: Three [categories of] women may8 use an absorbent9 in their marital intercourse:10 A minor, a pregnant woman and a nursing woman. The minor,11 because [otherwise] she might12 become pregnant, and as a result13 might die. A pregnant woman,11 because [otherwise]. she might12 cause her foetus to degenerate into a sandal.13 A nursing woman,11 because [otherwise] she might12 have to wean her child prematurely14 and this would result in his death. And what is the age of such a minor?15 From the age of eleven years and one day until the age of twelve years and one day. One who is under,16 or over this age17 must carry on her marital intercourse in the usual manner. This is the opinion of R. Meir. The Sages, however, say: The one as well as the other carries on her marital intercourse in the usual manner, and mercy will be vouchsafed from heaven
Look up the footnotes yourself. This says: a girl "under the age of 11 years and 1 day" is forbidden to use birth control and a girl "over the age of 12 years and 1 day" is forbidden to use birth control.
"No rabbi worth his salt?" (really, really laughing)
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/life...aception.shtml
A little tidbit from
www.myjewishlearning.com since facts terrify you and you don't open links.
Rabbinic Sources of Birth Control by the Wife
Virtually all rabbinic rulings on the subject of contraception are based upon a key talmudic statement that has been called "The Beraita of the Three Women." It reads as follows:
"Rabbi Bebai recited before Rabbi Nachman: Three categories of women may use an absorbent [in Hebrew, moch] in their marital intercourse: a minor, a pregnant woman, and a nursing woman. The minor, because otherwise she might become pregnant and as a result might die. A pregnant woman because otherwise she might cause her fetus to become a sandal [a flat fish‑shaped abortion due to superfetation]. A nursing woman, because otherwise she might have to wean her child prematurely [owing to her second conception] and he would die. And what is a minor? From the age of eleven years and one day until the age of twelve years and one day. One who is under or over this age [when conception is not possible or where pregnancy involves no fatal outcome, respectively] carries on her marital intercourse in the usual manner. This is the opinion of Rabbi Meir. But the Sages say: The one as well as the other carries on her marital intercourse in the usual manner, and mercy be vouchsafed from Heaven [to save her from danger], for Scripture says 'God preserves the simple' [Psalms 116:61]. (Talmud Yevamot 12b)"
Same thing I posted above. Except this time, it is referenced by
Rabbi Ronald H. Isaacs is the spiritual leader of Temple Sholom in Bridgewater, New Jersey. He has served as the publications committee chairperson of the Rabbinical Assembly.
The Rabbinical Assembly needs a shipment of salt huh.
So what is this? "What ever you dig up from Talmud won't win with any Rabbi worth his Kosher salt. You would get laughed off your prayer rug"
Still laughing? I am.
ONE of us is lying. Maybe it's the "publication committee chairperson of the Rabbinical Assembly" in New Jersey. Mannnnnnn this is too easy.
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