As long as people have a choice in going to doctors or trusting God, there is no post that will settle the issue. People are always going to have differing opinions on this issue.
Why can't someone go to the Dr AND Trust in God? People can pray and wait on God and nothing happen and we have seen that often nothing ever does happen and some die without getting medical attention. So what is so wrong with going to get treatment?
See that is the part that is troubling is the accusation that others don't have faith or trust in God.
I often wonder why these same people don't all just quit their jobs and trust in God to provide rent, house payments, food, clothing, gas for their cars if they have them etc etc etc....they don't because they don't have great faith? They don't trust in God? Or they don't because that would be foolish. They can work AND trust in God at the same time.
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As long as those who refuse medical treatment do not wear glasses or other corrective devices (crutch to help you walk, etc.) then they are consistent.
Yep, exactly. Stop trusting in the glasses and the eye Dr and trust in God. No contacts either.
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That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
As long as those who refuse medical treatment do not wear glasses or other corrective devices (crutch to help you walk, etc.) then they are consistent.
or drive cars.
The bible says that God just picked Phillip up and moved him. why dont they have faith for God to just make them be where they want to be?
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Wow! Hope you'd change your mind and take care of God's image.
God's image? RD, I have a lot of respect for those who have had the courage to refuse treatment for illness and rely solely on God for healing. I see it as a great testimony to what it means to be completely dedicated to the Lord in every way imaginable, regardless of the cost. I don't have the courage and type of faith I've seen in those saints, so I don't know what I would do if I found out I had cancer or some other situation that meant certain death. It's easy to boast of accomplishments not yet achieved, if you catch my drift. It's another thing entirely to walk this "no doctors" road all the way to end. People say God gets no glory when someone dies "trusting God." I couldn't disagree with them more if I tried. People are so worried about how things look to man. Who cares how things look to man? How about how they look to God? His ways are so much higher than our ways. It goes against man's reasoning, his common sense if you will, to willingly die in the hands of a God who could easily say the word and do a miracle. It isn't about the miracles or the healings, however. It's about trust.
God's image? RD, I have a lot of respect for those who have had the courage to refuse treatment for illness and rely solely on God for healing. I see it as a great testimony to what it means to be completely dedicated to the Lord in every way imaginable, regardless of the cost. I don't have the courage and type of faith I've seen in those saints, so I don't know what I would do if I found out I had cancer or some other situation that meant certain death. It's easy to boast of accomplishments not yet achieved, if you catch my drift. It's another thing entirely to walk this "no doctors" road all the way to end. People say God gets no glory when someone dies "trusting God." I couldn't disagree with them more if I tried. People are so worried about how things look to man. Who cares how things look to man? How about how they look to God? His ways are so much higher than our ways. It goes against man's reasoning, his common sense if you will, to willingly die in the hands of a God who could easily say the word and do a miracle. It isn't about the miracles or the healings, however. It's about trust.
Rico, I guess that since I strongly disagree with the position for Biblical reasons I see little to commend it. I see many trusting their gods and doing foolish things so their blind trust to me is not a virtue. It is an ill-informed type of arrogance, at least in some cases.
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Rico, I guess that since I strongly disagree with the position for Biblical reasons I see little to commend it. I see many trusting their gods and doing foolish things so their blind trust to me is not a virtue. It is an ill-informed type of arrogance, at least in some cases.
The Bible is against one putting their health completely in the hands of the Lord? It's news to me, RD. I've heard quite a bit of preaching on "trusting God only". I can't say that no scriptural backing was ever offered for the belief.
People in the bible were usually healed instantly, right? If you were not healed instantly that does not mean you won't be healed eventually. But what are you going to do in the long haul if it is something life threatening or serious? What if it prevented you from working and supporting the family but you know you can get treatment that will allow you to continue to work (like say hearing aids if you have deafness)?
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Your education blinds you to a lot of things, Sister. It's ok though. I've seen the same lack of faith in other people in the medical field. All you ever think about is going to see someone for what ails you. Instead of God being your first thought, your first thought is what pill you can take or what treatment is available. When is the last time you had something wrong with you where you didn't take any kind of medicine whatsoever? When is the last time you purposefully decided that you would rely solely on prayer for something that ailed you? No doctors. No pills. No treatment whatsoever. My guess is that it has been a long time, if at all. I am not against people seeing doctors. I've seen them myself. However, there's a lot to be said for choosing to forego man's wisdom, along with all his devices, and relying exclusively on God for healing. There's nothing wrong with mixing your trust in God with trust in man's abilities, but you can't honestly lay claim to completely trusting the Lord for your body if you choose to take medicines and go to doctors for treatment.
And you wonder why I constantly tell you that you miss the point of my posts. Perhaps it's because you don't read them in the first place.
I posted more than one post on this thread that I believe in going to doctors while I also trust in God. Your post above indicates that you never read those posts.
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Think what you want, but I knew I was injured. We got rear ended by a woman who was traveling 60mph. The impact slammed my tailbone area against the frame of the car seat. Once the adrenaline wore off, I knew I had suffered a serious injury. I could barely walk and could not go to the bathroom for almost a week. Chest beating had nothing to do with my decision not to seek treatment, both on the scene and after.
You simply can not accept the idea of people having enough trust in the Lord that they won't go see a doctor. I've been there, so I understand the mindset. People having that kind of faith is foreign to you because you don't have that kind of faith. Seeing as how you are a medical professional, I doubt you ever will, and that's fine. If you want to rely on doctors, treatments, pills, or whatever for your body, it's your choice. I am not trying to take that choice away from you.
This post is also proof that you haven't been reading my posts very well. NONE of my post say nor imply what you claim they do above. NONE of them.
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