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11-21-2007, 02:23 PM
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Invisible Thad
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Originally Posted by AmazingGrace
I actually just got the dvd last night. Now pm me and address! I didnt forget . First they were gonna edit them and then they decided they wanted to keep them original for each night (main character switch on one night as someone ended up in hospital or something) so I now finally have the dvd. They had given me one and then took it back because they wanted no unedited versions out then changed minds again!!! GOTTA LOVE EM!!!
And bout the kersh shockamoo video. I will ask the video dude or even the preacher.. will see em tomorry maybe.
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post a clip of them shouting OR I'll start a thread on it ! lol
Pm coming
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11-21-2007, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Thad
post a clip of them shouting OR I'll start a thread on it ! lol
Pm coming
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Yea I would prefer not. I will have to see if they taped it. I know they do the sunday services usually so we shall see
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11-21-2007, 02:46 PM
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"One Mind...OneAccord"
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
I'd love to get into a discussion on what is meant by "baptism" in the scriptures you are quoting but I don't have the time. Chock me up as a dissenting vote to your interpretation of 1 Cor 12:13 and Ephesians 4:5. They are both referring to water baptism.
No shockamooing here!
To be a part of the body of Christ a person must be baptized in water and in the Spirit. Both of these acts of baptism involve spiritual works done by the Holy Spirit through the faith of the believer. |
Certainly not to debate, but to restate:
In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul was speaking of the Holy Spirit. He speaks of the gifts of the Spirit and their relationship to the Body of Christ. Not once did he refer to water baptism. It would make no sense for Paul (or anyone else for that matter) to be speaking on one subject then just throw in an entirely different subject. That would be like making a list of fruits: Apples, Oranges, Bananas, PIE, Lemons, etc.... Pie just does not fit in the list. And water baptism does not fit in with this discussion Paul was having about the Holy Spirit, the gifts and the Body. No matter how bad we want it to fit, it just does not fit. It just doesn't fit and, as someone said "If it doesn't fit....you must..." Well, you know what I mean.
He only mentions water baptism in 1 Cor. 1 when he addressed the division among people regarding water baptism (which seems to still be prevalant to this day). In fact, brother, unless I missed something, Paul does not mention water baptism any where in else 1 Cor other than 1:13-17.
The same thing in Eph. 4. No where in Eph. 4 does Paul mention water baptism. In verses 3 and 4 he specifically mentions "the Spirit". Then, in verse 5 he states One Lord, One faith, One Baptism". How is it possible to infer from that verse he is referencing water baptism when in the preceeding two verses he tells us what (or who) is speaking of...the Holy Ghost. Again, I could have overlooked something, but no where in the Book of Ephesians to I find Paul even mentioning water baptism.
Now, the only way... the only way...one can say Paul was referring to water baptism in these passages in this: A person would have to believe that water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Ghost are one and the same. But we know from Acts 2:38 that this isn't so. There's 1) Repentance, 2) Water Baptism and 3) The Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
If there is something you have to share, brother, that I am missing, please feel free to let me know.
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11-21-2007, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
Certainly not to debate, but to restate:
In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul was speaking of the Holy Spirit. He speaks of the gifts of the Spirit and their relationship to the Body of Christ. Not once did he refer to water baptism. It would make no sense for Paul (or anyone else for that matter) to be speaking on one subject then just throw in an entirely different subject. That would be like making a list of fruits: Apples, Oranges, Bananas, PIE, Lemons, etc.... Pie just does not fit in the list. And water baptism does not fit in with this discussion Paul was having about the Holy Spirit, the gifts and the Body. No matter how bad we want it to fit, it just does not fit. It just doesn't fit and, as someone said "If it doesn't fit....you must..." Well, you know what I mean.
He only mentions water baptism in 1 Cor. 1 when he addressed the division among people regarding water baptism (which seems to still be prevalant to this day). In fact, brother, unless I missed something, Paul does not mention water baptism any where in else 1 Cor other than 1:13-17.
The same thing in Eph. 4. No where in Eph. 4 does Paul mention water baptism. In verses 3 and 4 he specifically mentions "the Spirit". Then, in verse 5 he states One Lord, One faith, One Baptism". How is it possible to infer from that verse he is referencing water baptism when in the preceeding two verses he tells us what (or who) is speaking of...the Holy Ghost. Again, I could have overlooked something, but no where in the Book of Ephesians to I find Paul even mentioning water baptism.
Now, the only way... the only way...one can say Paul was referring to water baptism in these passages in this: A person would have to believe that water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Ghost are one and the same. But we know from Acts 2:38 that this isn't so. There's 1) Repentance, 2) Water Baptism and 3) The Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
If there is something you have to share, brother, that I am missing, please feel free to let me know. |
Mizzy is a missy.
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11-21-2007, 03:00 PM
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"One Mind...OneAccord"
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Dan, let me see if I can transliterate and interpret that last post correctly.
Does "Mizzy is a Missy" mean "Mizpah is a sister"? If so, I apologize. Please replace "brother" with "sister" in my previous post. If not, then Dan is just being Dan.
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Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
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11-21-2007, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
Hi Bro.
How you been?
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I'm actually quite well.
Lots of job offers, but I haven't pulled the trigger on one yet.
I have a couple of months to make a good decision.
The church is doing very well all of a sudden.
Funny how that works, huh?
How are you doing?
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11-21-2007, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
Dan, let me see if I can transliterate and interpret that last post correctly.
Does "Mizzy is a Missy" mean "Mizpah is a sister"? If so, I apologize. Please replace "brother" with "sister" in my previous post. If not, then Dan is just being Dan.
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Indeed .... she is a sister ....
A Lady Man of God?
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11-21-2007, 03:11 PM
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Invisible Thad
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Indeed .... she is a sister ....
A Lady Man of God?
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mizpeh's been referrend to many times as a "she" and never refuted it so i believe Dan is right
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11-21-2007, 03:57 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Thadisdaman
Praxeas,
How do you like the part where Kendrick questions "Why does the church need to be relevent" He says he goes to other churchs websites and looks at their mission statements. WHy does he go looking for them, then preach against them? hahaha
I actually got mad, those poor kids, that message did not draw them closer to God.
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Yeah...I think that kind of preaching turns visitors off. They perceive it as bashing other churches. They want and need to hear about Jesus, not how apostate other churches are and it only sows the wrong attitude in the hearts and minds of those people (especially youth) listening
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-21-2007, 03:58 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by mildred
How high is our hair, how short is our skirt? How hip is our our music? I have a headache!
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Millie! Thats not your real name is it? Mildren? I mean.....can I make fun of it and still be friends? 
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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