Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine - Page 92

Sean · #**911** 11-09-2015, 01:15 PM

Folks, here is preterism and the book of Revelation....They think it was all a vision(not real) of heavenly metaphors.

Here is futurism....We think that the book Of Revelation is literal(real), with a few signs revealed to help explain the literal meanings.

mfblume · #**912** 11-09-2015, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Try smaller posts that dont take so long to rebut.(I type with 1 finger)

Sean, when is the last time you read a WHOLE BOOK from cover to cover? How long did it take you? How many pages did it have? My guess is you cannot read books because your attention span is too short. And if you cannot read books, there is NO WAY ON EARTH you can understand prophecy since there's so much in the bible to READ about it to properly understand it.

Sean · #**913** 11-09-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Sean, when is the last time you read a WHOLE BOOK from cover to cover? How long did it take you? How many pages did it have? My guess is you cannot read books because your attention span is too short.

Oh, that hurts

mfblume · #**914** 11-09-2015, 01:32 PM

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Oh, that hurts

Ahhh, you cannot read entire books, can you? You admit it?

Sean · #**915** 11-09-2015, 01:33 PM

I am a very good reader.

Sean · #**916** 11-09-2015, 01:34 PM

The problem with you is, you think the book of Rev. is a scrabble game of random words.

mfblume · #**917** 11-09-2015, 01:37 PM

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The problem with you is, you think the book of Rev. is a scrabble game of random words.

No, I just believe what the first verse said about it.

You won't pay attention to this, but maybe someone else will see the point. The first verse of the whole book says God gave a message by SIGNFYING it. That means it was given by SIGNS. And if there was only two or three SIGNS in the entire book, why introduce the entire book by saying it is a message related BY SIGNS????

That would be as silly as saying I am going to talk to you about COLORS, and speak for three hours and only mention two colors, taking up one minute out of three hours to do so.

lol

And those SIGNS can be found in the rest of the bible where we see how they're used to understand their place in Revelation. Jesus was called a LAMB that takes away sins when John the baptist announced Him. So when Rev 5 speaks of the LAMB we know it is Jesus. That is letting the bible interpret Revelation. But when people hardly know the whole bible, they miss all these references to the rest of the bible that are found in Revelation. The early church knew more of one book of the Old Testament Christians today now of the entire old testament. So they miss 90% of the SIGNS in Revelation.

That's another reason I left dispensationalism. It was based on lack of understanding, and thinking Revelation is a set of movies of the future, when it's a set of SIGNS used in the rest of the Bible, primarily the Old Testament. Only people with a good working knowledge of the overall bible can catch the signs.

Sean · #**918** 11-09-2015, 01:42 PM

This is what I mean.....

Mike Blume....2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,

Mike thinking.....

Hmmmm, "Tree", hmmm lets see(gets his concordance out).

Ahah, I got it!....men are trees!

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

I know it says "like a, or likened to" but I must come up with a way to prove that men are trees, because there is NO Tree of Life!

Maybe this verse?.....

And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

Nah, I better not use that one, Sean will blister me for it.

I know, I will post pages and pages of similar verses until folks just think I know what I am talking about!

Sean · #**919** 11-09-2015, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

No, I just believe what the first verse said about it.

You won't pay attention to this, but maybe someone else will see the point. The first verse of the whole book says God gave a message by SIGNFYING it. That means it was given by SIGNS. And if there was only two or three SIGNS in the entire book, why introduce the entire book by saying it is a message related BY SIGNS????

Well, if you want every word of the book of Rev. to be a sign of something else, I cannot stop you.

That would be as silly as saying I am going to talk to you about COLORS, and speak for three hours and only mention two colors, taking up one minute out of three hours to do so.

That was deep Mike....LOL

lol

And those SIGNS can be found in the rest of the bible where we see how they're used to understand their place in Revelation. Jesus was called a LAMB that takes away sins when John the baptist announced Him. So when Rev 5 speaks of the LAMB we know it is Jesus. That is letting the bible interpret Revelation. But when people hardly know the whole bible, they miss all these references to the rest of the bible that are found in Revelation. The early church knew more of one book of the Old Testament Christians today now of the entire old testament. So they miss 90% of the SIGNS in Revelation.

That's another reason I left dispensationalism. It was based on lack of understanding, and thinking Revelation is a set of movies of the future, when it's a set of SIGNS used in the rest of the Bible, primarily the Old Testament. Only people with a good working knowledge of the overall bible can catch the signs.

Mike, you left dispensationalism, because you saw a few errors in it.

Instead of fixing those few errors, you completely ran the opposite direction into metaphor land.

Now here is what you do...

Get rid of your pride, tell your family what happened, stop the sale of anymore books, denounce preterism and look at the few little errors that led you down that path and fix them.

If you need someone to help you break your addiction to seeing the book of Rev. as a big metaphor, then I will give you my number and you can call me any time.( Even if you call me at 2 in the morning with metaphor tremors)

Sean · #**920** 11-09-2015, 02:03 PM

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Sean, back to earth. Hello? back to earth, Sean.

Why did you say the LAMB was Jesus when there was not a word "LIKE" or "AS", and not even the mention of the name JESUS, in the chapter?

I guessed.

What is different about that compared to the tree of life in Rev 22?

Because of this verse....7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.....Looks too real to be a lie.

(Watch the red herrings come flying,.)