Again, why should we only consider YOUR definition when more than YOU are involved in this conversation? IOW, why don't you consider MY definition and discuss if from MY POV? Or that of Reformed Dave's?
I think we already understand how you are defining it. I have yet to see where your definition is the issue here, except where you are making it one.
Excuse me, but it was RD that brought the issue up of what "trusting God" means, not me. I defined it for him how I was using the term in this discussion. He is the one who took it to mean I was saying people who see doctors don't have any trust in God, and that's not what I was saying. You joined in and the nitpicking started. I never said that people who see doctors have no faith, or that they can't trust God while seeing a doctor. I have never taken that position when discussing this issue. I've talked about our accident, and how I trusted in the Lord throughout the whole thing while she was being seen by the doctors, more than once on these message boards.
For the purposes of this discussion, I am defending those who choose not to see doctors. That's how I came into the discussion, and that is my purpose for being in the discussion. My participatioin is not to declare my rejection of the medical profession.
Man. Keeping up with these faster moving threads is tough to do while I am working. Sometimes I read a post and have to wait until I finish with a call before I can respond. I hate it when that happens!!!!!
I'm amazed that this thread is still rolling. Oneness Man has been clinging to his position in this thread for two months now and I admire that kind of tenacity. Some big names in history had that kind of tenacity. People have the right to believe any thought that pops into their head and call it a revelation from God, even if there is no Scripture to support it. Mohammad, Joseph Smith, and Jim Jones are great examples!
On a different note, if the injured man in the Good Samaritan story posted on this board, I get the impression that he'd be condemned by some of us here because he let the Samaritan treat his injuries instead of trusting in G-d and refusing treatment.
By the way, Jesus made medication. He compounded Jerusalem dirt with Nazarene spittle and anointed a blind man's eyes through the application of the clay mixture, resulting in the man's deliverance from blindness.
One last thing:
Witchcraft ≠ medication
As I'm compounding a sugar and dye-free cough medication, my thoughts will certainly not be far from this thought provoking thread. Shalom shalom.
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I’m not a scholar, just a crazy Jewish Believer who wants to see no one deceived and everyone saved.
Shalom uv’racha b’shem Yeshua Mishikheinu!
Peace and blessings unto you in the Name of Yeshua, Our Messiah!
I cannot hang on here to read every post of every thread, thus most of mine have a drive-by quality since I cannot respond to 10 "responses" which may come in the next 10 minutes or hour.
Thankfully, there are very few who hold to a "no doctors" or medication rule. Thankfully, there are even fewer who advocate bombing abortion clinics. The similarities? Both bring national media attention on the entire Christian community when A) some nut job bombs a building or B) Some nut job lets their child (or themselves) die from something that would have been easily treatable with a pill or shot (usually antibiotic or insulin in most cases).
The result of both nut jobs is that government makes sweeping reforms which help to take more and more religious freedoms away from ALL of us.
Thankfully, there are very few who hold to a "no doctors" or medication rule.
Thank God that Billy Cole didn't have enough faith and went to the hospital.....
Rico, what I don't believe you've actually explained was why you chose to take your daughter to the hospital and refused care for yourself. It appears, according to your definition, that you could trust God for your healing and not for hers.
It's interesting that Luke was described as the "beloved physician" and not the "former physician now beloved Luke".
Rico, just for your info, as a medical person I pray more now for people's healing than I ever did before I worked in the field.
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WAUSAU, Wis. (AP) -- One parent accused of reckless homicide in an 11-year-old Weston girl's death will get a court-appointed attorney, a judge ruled Wednesday. The other is a hiring private lawyer.
Dale and Leilani Neumann are charged with second-degree reckless homicide in the Easter Sunday death of their daughter, Madeline, at the family's rural home. Prosecutors say they acted recklessly by praying instead of seeking medical help as their daughter got progressively ill from undiagnosed diabetes.
Leilani Neumann, 40, has said the family believes in the Bible, that healing comes from God and they never expected the girl to die.
The couple face up to 25 years in prison if convicted.....
Thank God that Billy Cole didn't have enough faith and went to the hospital.....
Rico, what I don't believe you've actually explained was why you chose to take your daughter to the hospital and refused care for yourself. It appears, according to your definition, that you could trust God for your healing and not for hers.
It's interesting that Luke was described as the "beloved physician" and not the "former physician now beloved Luke".
Rico, just for your info, as a medical person I pray more now for people's healing than I ever did before I worked in the field.
Brother, I took my daughter in because her legs were broken. She was too young at the time to make that sort of decision for herself, so I thought it would be best to get her seen by a doctor. I didn't regret doing it, and my pastor never once said anything negative to me about us getting her treated. She wore them crazy casts out two or three times in the 6 weeks or so she wore them! She still has them in her closet. They are her souvenier of the car accident she barely remembers.