Tithing…Is it a command?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I agree with the law of sowing and reaping. Do you think most people you know could pay a minimum of 10% of their weekly earnings to the kingdom of God. I am not meaning the local church, but somewhere invested in the kingdom of God . I am just asking do you think most could make arrangements to pay 10% into God's kingdom.

How can we give MAMMON to an invisible kingdom?....Romans 14:17

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

There must be a KING(pastor) to orchestrate the physical kingdom if it is both spiritual and physical.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

You need to look 1Cor. 16 again because Rudy made it sound like Paul was coming for a one time collection to take to Jerusalem. The scripture doesn't say it was a one time offering. The commandment he also made to the Galations. True he said he would come but the men appointed by Paul were supposed to bring the offerings plural to Jerusalem and not Paul himself. So no he is not spot on.

In addition to that, headquarters was at Jerusalem (so to speak). You will find in other places of Paul's ministry that Paul seeking counsel from those in Jerusalem in regard to whether circumcision was still a requirement.

The scripture would have to say it was ongoing offering for it to be so, and it does not.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Sean

How can we give MAMMON to an invisible kingdom?....Romans 14:17

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

There must be a KING(pastor) to orchestrate the physical kingdom if it is both spiritual and physical.

So now you no longer believe in giving anything monetary into the work of God.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

That is not the circles I fellowship nor do I have confidence any of the ones you have in mind.

If you were in California for a year you would understand where I am coming from bro.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The scripture would have to say it was ongoing offering for it to be so, and it does not.

Neither does it say that 2 Cor. 9 is ongoing, but you for some reason accept that it is.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Sean

If you were in California for a year you would understand where I am coming from bro.

I am talking from my little world in Tennessee point of view. Maybe you need to pray about a move.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

How come you agree with 2 Cor. 9 and not 1 Cor. 16? Read them together and see what you think.

2 Corinthians 9
9 For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:

2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.

3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:

4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness

11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.

12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;

13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;

14 And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you.

15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.



Are you sure this is speaking of giving to the ministry?...or the SAINTS?






1 Corinthians 16

16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thats why the Apostolic churches take forever to grow, then shrink when folks see it has fraudulent doctrines. Then they start small again and keep the same pattern of failure. Never looking WITHIN to see why these events are reoccurring.

Amen a thousand times!!

In 2009 my self employment income was cut by a third. As a step of faith I began to tithe off of my gross BUSINESS income instead of tithing on my salary.
In late 2011 by business tanked completely. Money I could have set aside to cushion the blow had gone to the church. In 2012 I made only 8000 dollars with a wife and two kids. I gave 300 dollars to the church that year. You would have thought I had backslid or something. The pastor knew of my situation and yet I was still ridiculed for "getting behind" on my tithing.

Do any of you pro tithe folks want to to step up to the plate and say I was stealing from God? Nobody offered to pay my bills or feed my family. If it had not been for some TRINITARIAN Pentecostals who heard of our plight, we would not have had a Christmas that year.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

So now you no longer believe in giving anything monetary into the work of God.

What is the work of God???

I out worked everyone in my former church consistently for years on a weekly basis, considering I wasnt paid. I just give to my own work of God now.

Is there any thing wrong with that? I am a ROYAL PRIEST ya know.

Or should it be to someone elses' work of God?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I am talking from my little world in Tennessee point of view. Maybe you need to pray about a move.

Im on my way...I was just talking to a fellow ham radio operator that moved there from NY....he said the folks are awesome there....