Sister, I was injured in our car accident and refused treatment, so now you've heard of it.
Rico, I'm speaking of injuries that require medical treatment. I'm not talking about a little bump on the head. People, both in and out of church and even those who don't believe in God refuse medical treatment for injuries that don't require it. That's not a biggie.
Why did your daughter receive treatment? I'm asking this not because of a 'AHA!' response you think I have, but I'm just wanting to know why she required treatment while you chose to trust God for your injuries.
I'm sure you also trusted God to care for her while the medical professionals were checking her out.
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I've already defined "trusting God" for you, as it pertains to this discussion. If you want to read more into it than what I've explained, knock yourself out.
Why do you feel that your definition of 'trusting God' should be the one we consider in this conversation when you aren't the only one speaking about trusting God?
That might be how YOU are defining it, but there's a lot more people involved than you in this conversation.
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You people are something else, especially those of you in the medical profession. You act as if we are required to use your services. The medical profession isn't the be all and end all when it comes to the human body. God is more than capable of taking care of His creation without your help.
Rico, those of us in the medical profession obviously have more education in that area that those who aren't. That's not a slam, it's the obvious truth.
You aren't required to use medical services. Hey, if you have gangrene in your leg from a severe infection, it won't bother me in the least if you choose not to have a medical professional take care of it.
Can God take care of it? Sure. I certainly believe He can and would. But if His answer is NO, what then? Will you die and leave your family without a husband and father because you want to beat your chest for the 'I trust only God' issue, when surgery and medications will take care of that problem?
Sure, that's your choice to make, but don't blame me if I think you are selfish in making it.
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Rico, I'm speaking of injuries that require medical treatment. I'm not talking about a little bump on the head. People, both in and out of church and even those who don't believe in God refuse medical treatment for injuries that don't require it. That's not a biggie.
Why did your daughter receive treatment? I'm asking this not because of a 'AHA!' response you think I have, but I'm just wanting to know why she required treatment while you chose to trust God for your injuries.
I'm sure you also trusted God to care for her while the medical professionals were checking her out.
I could barely walk for almost a week. It was a lot more than a bump on the head. I could be lying there dying, and if I wanted to refuse treatment I could. Y'all ain't the Gestapo. People have the right to refuse treatment, even at the scene of an accident.
Why do you feel that your definition of 'trusting God' should be the one we consider in this conversation when you aren't the only one speaking about trusting God?
That might be how YOU are defining it, but there's a lot more people involved than you in this conversation.
This is the kind of nitpicking that gets on my nerves. Define it however you want. I've explained how I am defining it as it pertains to this conversation.
I could barely walk for almost a week. It was a lot more than a bump on the head. I could be lying there dying, and if I wanted to refuse treatment I could. Y'all ain't the Gestapo. People have the right to refuse treatment, even at the scene of an accident.
Nobody claimed we were the Gestapo. And if you were laying there dying, they won't allow you to refuse treatment. Even in an ER, if someone is beligerent and refusing treatment, they are usually sedated while the medical professionals do their job to save their life. I've seen that over and over.
I have yet to know of anyone suing the hospital later on for saving their life and/or violating their right to refuse treatment!
And I've been in an accident where I had worse injuries but didn't seek medical treatment than you mention above. Big deal. People do that all the time. It has little to do with beating one's chest in the name of trusting in God, even if that's why they are doing it.
I'm thinking your decision to not seek treatment had little to do with trusting in God, but rather, you didn't think your injuries were severe enough to warrant medical treatment. I could be wrong, but that what it sounds like to me.
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This is the kind of nitpicking that gets on my nerves. Define it however you want. I've explained how I am defining it as it pertains to this conversation.
Again, why should we only consider YOUR definition when more than YOU are involved in this conversation? IOW, why don't you consider MY definition and discuss if from MY POV? Or that of Reformed Dave's?
I think we already understand how you are defining it. I have yet to see where your definition is the issue here, except where you are making it one.
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Rico, those of us in the medical profession obviously have more education in that area that those who aren't. That's not a slam, it's the obvious truth.
You aren't required to use medical services. Hey, if you have gangrene in your leg from a severe infection, it won't bother me in the least if you choose not to have a medical professional take care of it.
Can God take care of it? Sure. I certainly believe He can and would. But if His answer is NO, what then? Will you die and leave your family without a husband and father because you want to beat your chest for the 'I trust only God' issue, when surgery and medications will take care of that problem?
Sure, that's your choice to make, but don't blame me if I think you are selfish in making it.
Your education blinds you to a lot of things, Sister. It's ok though. I've seen the same lack of faith in other people in the medical field. All you ever think about is going to see someone for what ails you. Instead of God being your first thought, your first thought is what pill you can take or what treatment is available. When is the last time you had something wrong with you where you didn't take any kind of medicine whatsoever? When is the last time you purposefully decided that you would rely solely on prayer for something that ailed you? No doctors. No pills. No treatment whatsoever. My guess is that it has been a long time, if at all. I am not against people seeing doctors. I've seen them myself. However, there's a lot to be said for choosing to forego man's wisdom, along with all his devices, and relying exclusively on God for healing. There's nothing wrong with mixing your trust in God with trust in man's abilities, but you can't honestly lay claim to completely trusting the Lord for your body if you choose to take medicines and go to doctors for treatment.
Nobody claimed we were the Gestapo. And if you were laying there dying, they won't allow you to refuse treatment. Even in an ER, if someone is beligerent and refusing treatment, they are usually sedated while the medical professionals do their job to save their life. I've seen that over and over.
I have yet to know of anyone suing the hospital later on for saving their life and/or violating their right to refuse treatment!
And I've been in an accident where I had worse injuries but didn't seek medical treatment than you mention above. Big deal. People do that all the time. It has little to do with beating one's chest in the name of trusting in God, even if that's why they are doing it.
I'm thinking your decision to not seek treatment had little to do with trusting in God, but rather, you didn't think your injuries were severe enough to warrant medical treatment. I could be wrong, but that what it sounds like to me.
Think what you want, but I knew I was injured. We got rear ended by a woman who was traveling 60mph. The impact slammed my tailbone area against the frame of the car seat. Once the adrenaline wore off, I knew I had suffered a serious injury. I could barely walk and could not go to the bathroom for almost a week. Chest beating had nothing to do with my decision not to seek treatment, both on the scene and after.
You simply can not accept the idea of people having enough trust in the Lord that they won't go see a doctor. I've been there, so I understand the mindset. People having that kind of faith is foreign to you because you don't have that kind of faith. Seeing as how you are a medical professional, I doubt you ever will, and that's fine. If you want to rely on doctors, treatments, pills, or whatever for your body, it's your choice. I am not trying to take that choice away from you.
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