For those who want to know...RULES at my church!

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

And we don't agree with you.

and that your prerogative.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Sister Truth Seeker

If and when this stops...it will be when those that supposedly care stand up to the pastors that abuse. Until then it has to be brought into the open...over and over...so that the new ones that come out...see they are not alone, not crazy, and not going to hell for leaving...that it has happened to others, and that they can go on, and find a great church, with a pastor they can love and who will truly love them.....

Until this happens brother, until you pastors that have the power do something, instead of saying get over it....its gonna keep happening and more will be lost...not just from the church but from God....

I have no power over any other pastor.

I guess if we go by this line of thought then we preacher need to start talking about the rotten saints then.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

and that your prerogative.

Yours too, so we know your opinion so since this thread has not been declared preacher bashing by admin, please let it proceed forward.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I have no power over any other pastor.

I guess if we go by this line of thought then we preacher need to start talking about the rotten saints then.

Start your own thread - not on this one.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

If one is in a cow paster and walks by a cowpaddy it will stink, but if you stop and stir in it it will stink worse.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Start your own thread - not on this one.

Oh really
well when I get back from town we may just see.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Oh really
well when I get back from town we may just see.

You might be surprised.

Saints won't hide their heads in the sand and say it doesn't happen. You know why? Because we've all been affected by THEM too!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I feel by this thread like I would if I heard a pastor bad mouthing, downing the saints in his church. I think that something are better left unsaid. I have had situation in my life that left a very bad taste in my kids mouth, but I told them, people are human and sometimes do dumb things and there are some that are just bad, but most are good. Yes we have been done wrong by a few, but have been bless by most.

It was hard for them to see their father attacked verbal and yes physical by the people he had invested the most in.. But I refuse to let the be filled with hatred and anger. If those people never repent they must repent of their feeling to be saved. They must love those who have lied on them, used them, and mistreated them.

Saints must do the same. For every bad preacher there are dozens of good one. Those who love the saints and would do anything for them.

To keep hashing and rehashing things does nothing but keep the bitterness and anger alive.

If one is in a cow paster and walks by a cowpaddy it will stink, but if you stop and stir in it it will stink worse.

Think we may have found something we can agree on WH.

On this thread we ARE talking about those few bad apples.

They are in our ranks, that is unfortunate, but they do exsist.

It is sad that there are those of us who can attest to this fact.

Now..about the good ones, I hope you are one WH.

I do know I have one of the best pastors in the upc.

He does not interfer into the lives of the people who attend our church in any way.

He is mindful that we all have very busy lives and work jobs and does his best to schedule things so time is utilized to it's best advantage.

He is not a screamer, never embarases us when we bring guests with rants or "skining the hog" kind of sermons that some of the UC refer to there preaching duties.

YES WH I LOVE MY PASTOR AND HAVE ALL THE RESPECT FOR HIM !!

But if he ever strayed any where near where some of these abusive controlling pastors have walked, we'd be having a serious praying thru session with him.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Oh really
well when I get back from town we may just see.

I dont think so....sounds like you need a break from forum life for a while.

[Whole Hearted]

So preacher can be run down, belittled, bad mouthed and tore down but don't' dare say anything about a church member. That is a double standard. There aer plenty of rotten, backslid, lying, backstabbing, two faced church members out there, that ae out to destroy every preacher they can. They will destroy any preacher that they can not run. They will starve him and his family out. They will use him and abuse him and then dump him. There are many backslidden preachers, [preacher's wives, and preacher kids because of them rotten saints that would stop at nothing to get their way in church.